Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By afalley Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:14 pm
Hi - I'm new to using MPCs, however, I've been using Logic for years. I do have a Korg Kronos, and thought this was the time to get into the MPC game now that they have a unit with a touchscreen that acts as a stand-alone workstation. I like Logic, but hate all the mousing around one has to do with it. I wanted something to streamline my workflow.

My first impressions leave so much to be desired. The UI library that they used to design the interface is total shite. It's so big, clunky and half-assed. By comparison, my Korg, with a smaller screen can fit so many details for it's synth models on one screen and everything is there that you expect to be there, and I've had that Korg for years already, one would think a new product in 2016 would be all that and more. Basic things on the MPC like a sensible cut and paste are missing from the grid view. For me, that is one of the most essential parts of midi editing. The huge fonts they use borders and a button that says "Do It" borders on condescending. Do you really need half-inch icons with half-inch borders? Sure, you can do some cool things with it as one can with any other MPC, but it's like they just added a toy screen and charged that much more. It's certainly not a game changer.

It's almost as if nobody at Akai actually is a musician or uses the products, like it was done by committee, or maybe they just didn't really give a shit because of their perception of the "urban" target audience not really mattering that much to them. Every person of color that I've known that has traveled to Japan has told me that they are viewed, even politely, with almost over the top stereotypes that the Japanese honestly believe (largely due to the Japanese monoculture). Maybe it's going too far to suggest this, but it makes me think that somewhere in some Japanese boardroom somebody said, "we need to keep this very simple for 'those' people". It just doesn't seem like it was designed with any respect to it's audience.

Or maybe the idiot product director thought it would be a smart idea to use a simplistic off-the-shelf UI library and couldn't fit too many basic and conceptually related functions on one screen, so instead they sacrificed user workflow. Even the 2.0.5 grid cut-paste "fix" is completely asinine. WTF?

Whatever the reason, I really hope that MPC 3.0, if it ever happens, will be a total re-write from the ground up, because this is such an embarrassment. It's a shame, because it does have the potential to be a game changer, but I'm still wondering why I paid $2300 to buy a work in progress. In the mean time, Native Instruments just got a 64 million dollar infusion for R&D! Last Akai product I'll ever buy.
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By Danoc Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:00 am
If you expect Akai to start from the ground up then you're mistaken.

afalley wrote:Hi - I'm new to using MPCs, however, I've been using Logic for years. I do have a Korg Kronos, and thought this was the time to get into the MPC game now that they have a unit with a touchscreen that acts as a stand-alone workstation. I like Logic, but hate all the mousing around one has to do with it. I wanted something to streamline my workflow.

My first impressions leave so much to be desired. The UI library that they used to design the interface is total ****. It's so big, clunky and half-assed. By comparison, my Korg, with a smaller screen can fit so many details for it's synth models on one screen and everything is there that you expect to be there, and I've had that Korg for years already, one would think a new product in 2016 would be all that and more. Basic things on the MPC like a sensible cut and paste are missing from the grid view. For me, that is one of the most essential parts of midi editing. The huge fonts they use borders and a button that says "Do It" borders on condescending. Sure, you can do some cool things with it as one can with any other MPC, but it's like they just added a toy screen and charged that much more. It's certainly not a game changer.

It's almost as if nobody at Akai actually is a musician or uses the products, like it was done by committee, or maybe they just didn't really give a **** because of their perception of the "urban" target audience not really mattering that much to them. Every person of color that I've known that has traveled to Japan has told me that they are viewed, even politely, with almost over the top stereotypes that the Japanese honestly believe (largely due to the Japanese monoculture). Maybe it's going too far to suggest this, but it makes me think that somewhere in some Japanese boardroom somebody said, "we need to keep this very simple for 'those' people". It just doesn't seem like it was designed with any respect to it's audience.

Or maybe the idiot product director thought it would be a smart idea to use a simplistic off-the-shelf UI library and couldn't fit too many basic and conceptually related functions on one screen, so instead they sacrificed user workflow. Even the 2.0.5 grid cut-paste "fix" is completely asinine. WTF?

Whatever the reason, I really hope that MPC 3.0, if it ever happens, will be a total re-write from the ground up, because this is such an embarrassment. It's a shame, because it does have the potential to be a game changer, but I'm still wondering why I paid $2300 to buy a work in progress.
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By tapedeck Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:08 am
haha the 'do it' complaint is funny. its definitely an out-of-date legacy mpc thing. on the old ones, you'd make your settings and then hit 'do it' to actually process whatever it is you were working on. i never really cared for it anyway, and yea it seemed kinda foreign, but its just something i overlook now. funny how off-putting it is to a newcomer :mrgreen:

also, as far as i know, most of the mpc development is in the uk so yer japanaphobia might be a little bit of a stretch.

still, yer complaints are warranted and yer insight as to why might not be *completely* wrong.
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By Coz Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:39 am
afalley wrote:I'm still wondering why I paid $2300 to buy a work in progress.


I'm wondering why you haven't sent it back for a refund as you obviously don't like it? :hmmm:

If you bought the X anticipating it to be Logic in an MPC shaped box, that's your lookout. The Live/X can't replace a DAW.

What screens have the fonts and borders you don't like? Everything has to be readable and useable on a 7" screen first and foremost, and this will then be scaled up to the 10"screen of the X.
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By Lampdog Thu Oct 26, 2017 1:56 am
Take it back.

Same with any company, let them know by returning it and getting your money back.

They will care more when they don’t get your money.
By summer2k Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:27 am
Personally I bought the X and like it a lot for what it delivers today. If I did not, I would not hesitate to send it back for a full refund with the quickness. Why torture yourself and hold on to it if it does not meet your expectations? :WTF: :hmmm: :?
By afalley Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:22 am
So I was mistaken regarding the fact that it's not designed in Japan. My bad, although I'll stand by what I said about Japan and its monoculture. Just keeping it real, although my mind is always open to contrary evidence or opinion.

I'm keeping it because I have a need for an MPC and it's the one I bought. My focus is on music creation and having an MPC now gets me back to that. I'm just really disappointed because I hate investing in something that I hoped would be as impressive in its design as some of my other gear, gear where the obvious stuff is there in the interface and is nicely laid out. I do like what the MPC is attempting to be and the features that it does avail, it just needs a lot of work and doesn't make one's workflow as intuitive as it should be. Whoever released it to the public as is in its current form should be fired. That said, I'm keeping it, but my eyes are wide open for Native Instruments now.
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By zangetsu01 Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:11 am
I understand your complains but I don't fully agree with them. From the time the new MPC's were anounced till the time that you've got your unit must have been +6 months or more.. During that time you could have investigated these new units, there were tons of videos available on Youtube and the videos showcased all of the menus of the MPC.

I've got my X for 2 months now and I love it. I just hope the updates with missing features will come in faster than what they are showing right now.
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By Fanu Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:12 am
afalley wrote:I do like what the MPC is attempting to be and the features that it does avail, it just needs a lot of work and doesn't make one's workflow as intuitive as it should be. Whoever released it to the public as is in its current form should be fired. That said, I'm keeping it, but my eyes are wide open for Native Instruments now.


I agree, and many do. It's OK but came out early and it feels rushed.
Do let Akai know thru the suggestion feature in software...or holler at Pete Goodliffe, Geoff Smith and Simon Bangs on Twitter and link them to this.
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By Living Bate Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:16 am
shortcomings wouldn't be so bad if you could be confident that Akai will stick with it and develop it to its full potential

but you always have that feeling they are more likely to discontinue it and move on to the new breed of MPC like the Eclipse
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By Icepulse Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:48 pm
I have the Live, w/ has the exact same UI, and I think it's the bomb.

Granted, it must sting to pay twice the money for a few extra knobs, and no battery.

For my $1100, it's everything I need in one box.
By marctronixx Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:59 pm
Gobsmacked how people just sign up to complain about ish, instead of purchasing gear that WILL work for the individual.

The internet is a vast area of knowledge and information. You can try before you buy in most places around the world, and watch reviews. There’s even grace periods where you can return gear if you don’t like it.

And then everyone needs to justify why they kept their gear or why they sold it, returned it, etc. meanwhile hundreds of people in reality are loving this gear.

Software/vst/computer cats usually dont get the mpc workflow and are usually the majority of wheel squealers on these forums.
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By djadonis206 Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:37 pm
Super bummed technology has come so far.

F*cking hybrid stand alone controller touchscreens and sh*t...

There's a ton of these on the market right now. Akai totally dropped the ball on their backwards a*s thinking...

:Sigh:

The OP's bummed. I'm not. This thing is hella futuristic
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By Smackdee Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:38 pm
Op just return it if it's not working for you, I don't understand how this is trolling if one own' s the product and is giving his view or take on it or if the workflow is right for him... Trying something out for 30 mins to an hour in GC or reading about it on the internet is totally different from having it in your own lab.... Op paid his money for the machine and feels a bit let down, nothing wrong with that..