Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By ayatolli Wed May 30, 2018 5:17 pm
ringmaker wrote:the 2500 with jj is a good choice for sure. if you‘re coming from software it‘s probably a steep learning curve, after that it‘s really easy and fast.

i’m not a big fan of touchscreens but i got the x because i can do most things with knobs and buttons. man i was a lot faster with the 2500 lol! but that‘s probably because i don‘t have the muscle memory yet. but it‘s great so far.

regarding the sound. maybe there are other opinions, but i don‘t think that neither the 2500/1000 nor the x/live has that classic mpc sound (60/3000) you’re looking for. they‘re both rather clean.

the x/live has emulations of the 60/3000/1200 tho. don‘t know how accurate they are. haven‘t compared or used it a lot yet.

my conclusion so far:
modern features/integration: live
workflow: 2500
sound: 60/3000


Hmmm :hmmm:
As said, especially it‘s mobile abilities are a nice feature to have on the Live. Workflow, idk. I didnt use MPCs long enough to have some sort of muscle memory yet so working in FL Studio right now is my fastest way.

Man, I really would have wished Akai just used OLED screens like Ni in their new machines and let buttons do their work :/
It‘s almost a mere aesthetic thing that I prefer the 2500 :o
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By Ill-Green Wed May 30, 2018 7:58 pm
ayatolli wrote:Man, I really would have wished Akai just used OLED screens like Ni in their new machines and let buttons do their work :/
It‘s almost a mere aesthetic thing that I prefer the 2500 :o

Digitakt has a nice yellow OLED screen if you looking for a sampler with one. But the touchscreen is pretty dope and next level from former MPCs, minus the Touch. Those that use music apps on tablets would most likely love it. I come from the old skool, and thinks its innovative (aside from the Live's design itself). The only thing I want really is psychedelic images appearing on the screen when songs are playing. You'll find me in some attic with headphones making a beat for a week without food and water.
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By ringmaker Wed May 30, 2018 8:12 pm
ayatolli wrote:
ringmaker wrote:the 2500 with jj is a good choice for sure. if you‘re coming from software it‘s probably a steep learning curve, after that it‘s really easy and fast.

i’m not a big fan of touchscreens but i got the x because i can do most things with knobs and buttons. man i was a lot faster with the 2500 lol! but that‘s probably because i don‘t have the muscle memory yet. but it‘s great so far.

regarding the sound. maybe there are other opinions, but i don‘t think that neither the 2500/1000 nor the x/live has that classic mpc sound (60/3000) you’re looking for. they‘re both rather clean.

the x/live has emulations of the 60/3000/1200 tho. don‘t know how accurate they are. haven‘t compared or used it a lot yet.

my conclusion so far:
modern features/integration: live
workflow: 2500
sound: 60/3000


Hmmm :hmmm:
As said, especially it‘s mobile abilities are a nice feature to have on the Live. Workflow, idk. I didnt use MPCs long enough to have some sort of muscle memory yet so working in FL Studio right now is my fastest way.

Man, I really would have wished Akai just used OLED screens like Ni in their new machines and let buttons do their work :/
It‘s almost a mere aesthetic thing that I prefer the 2500 :o


if it comes to portability nothing beats a laptop and in your case fl. if it‘s about sound try that new plugin that emulates the s950 converter. if it‘s about aestetics, well nothing is more beautiful then an sp1200 right? :lol:
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By Coz Wed May 30, 2018 8:13 pm
ayatolli wrote:working in FL Studio right now is my fastest way.



It's probably also your best way. :wink:

There's nothing specific to the Live or 2500 that makes them any better. Feature wise they're a huge step backwards from FL. There's also nothing 'old school' or 'classic' about the 2500. The tact switches are notoriously fragile and can leave you having to mash the buttons before you have to de-solder the old ones and replace them, to then have to repeat the process 18 months later. Akai also managed to spray it with the thinnest coat of paint of any gear ever. Colouring it in with a black Sharpie would give you a thicker layer of protection. Workflow wise with JJOS it's brilliant, but if you have anything resembling a sample library, you have to convert everything to 16 bit 44.1khz for it to load. I found the more power JJ managed to eek out of the machine, the more the sound quality went to shit. Layering sounds or dropping the tuning on a sample sounded like total garbage. The filters in the 2500 are also cack.

The Live has a much more versatile feature set and better sound engine than the 2500. The sequencer has a higher resolution, the filters are really nice, effects are pretty decent etc. The aspects of the OS that are optimised for the touchscreen work well, although there's more work for Akai to do. My main issue with the Live is that I don't think it has a fluid enough workflow. I don't know if it's the touchscreen slowing things down, but working with it is like wading through mud sometimes. Basic omissions like graphical automation editing seem weird if you use iOS apps. :hmmm:

So yeah, my advice would be to stick with FL and spend the money on more important gear like better monitors, outboard effects or sound treatment. 8)
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By ringmaker Wed May 30, 2018 8:31 pm
Coz wrote:
ayatolli wrote:working in FL Studio right now is my fastest way.



It's probably also your best way. :wink:

There's nothing specific to the Live or 2500 that makes them any better. Feature wise they're a huge step backwards from FL. There's also nothing 'old school' or 'classic' about the 2500. The tact switches are notoriously fragile and can leave you having to mash the buttons before you have to de-solder the old ones and replace them, to then have to repeat the process 18 months later. Akai also managed to spray it with the thinnest coat of paint of any gear ever. Colouring it in with a black Sharpie would give you a thicker layer of protection. Workflow wise with JJOS it's brilliant, but if you have anything resembling a sample library, you have to convert everything to 16 bit 44.1khz for it to load. I found the more power JJ managed to eek out of the machine, the more the sound quality went to ****. Layering sounds or dropping the tuning on a sample sounded like total garbage. The filters in the 2500 are also cack.

The Live has a much more versatile feature set and better sound engine than the 2500. The sequencer has a higher resolution, the filters are really nice, effects are pretty decent etc. The aspects of the OS that are optimised for the touchscreen work well, although there's more work for Akai to do. My main issue with the Live is that I don't think it has a fluid enough workflow. I don't know if it's the touchscreen slowing things down, but working with it is like wading through mud sometimes. Basic omissions like graphical automation editing seem weird if you use iOS apps. :hmmm:

So yeah, my advice would be to stick with FL and spend the money on more important gear like better monitors, outboard effects or sound treatment. 8)


agree with coz. never had problems with the buttons in 10 years but the paint in the front is gone and it’s rusty :lol:
By ayatolli Wed May 30, 2018 8:45 pm
Coz wrote:
ayatolli wrote:working in FL Studio right now is my fastest way.



It's probably also your best way. :wink:

There's nothing specific to the Live or 2500 that makes them any better. Feature wise they're a huge step backwards from FL. There's also nothing 'old school' or 'classic' about the 2500. The tact switches are notoriously fragile and can leave you having to mash the buttons before you have to de-solder the old ones and replace them, to then have to repeat the process 18 months later. Akai also managed to spray it with the thinnest coat of paint of any gear ever. Colouring it in with a black Sharpie would give you a thicker layer of protection. Workflow wise with JJOS it's brilliant, but if you have anything resembling a sample library, you have to convert everything to 16 bit 44.1khz for it to load. I found the more power JJ managed to eek out of the machine, the more the sound quality went to ****. Layering sounds or dropping the tuning on a sample sounded like total garbage. The filters in the 2500 are also cack.

The Live has a much more versatile feature set and better sound engine than the 2500. The sequencer has a higher resolution, the filters are really nice, effects are pretty decent etc. The aspects of the OS that are optimised for the touchscreen work well, although there's more work for Akai to do. My main issue with the Live is that I don't think it has a fluid enough workflow. I don't know if it's the touchscreen slowing things down, but working with it is like wading through mud sometimes. Basic omissions like graphical automation editing seem weird if you use iOS apps. :hmmm:

So yeah, my advice would be to stick with FL and spend the money on more important gear like better monitors, outboard effects or sound treatment. 8)


That's nice advice but I will use a MPC 100%.
I'm not a FL Studio pro or something but I'm pretty good in it doing the stuff I like, but FL is feature loaded like hell, what of course is good, but often can be very overwhelming. I want something that gives me a more direct attitude towards making my beats and also the whole workflow on MPCs is pretty dope. FL is still awesome and I'll gladly use it to mix and master my tracks coming from whatever MPC I choose...
As much as I know you can export stems fromt he 2500 :o correct me if im wrong doe

I do have a sample libary that consists of drumpacks and sfx.

More things speak for the live. But I'm kinda unsatisfied with the outcome of this, I mean the whole layout, look and vibe coming from the 2500 is way more my thing. I dig old technology.
Workflow is better, touchscreen is gone, JJOS is quite good, it's more tactile, and it got everything an MPC needs.
But that the filter suck and that sound quality itself goes down to an amount that you can't really use it anymore is really a hard drawback.
The Live on the other hand is takes my sample-libary easily, is portable and has quality effects.

So I hope this is not the final statement because I would like to hold onto the MPC2500 as long as possible :cry:
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By Coz Wed May 30, 2018 8:59 pm
ayatolli wrote:As much as I know you can export stems fromt he 2500 :o correct me if im wrong doe


You can't 'export' stems from the 2500. You can record the outputs in realtime into a mixer or interface, but that gets old fast, especially when modern machines enable you to do it with a few button presses.
By ayatolli Wed May 30, 2018 9:52 pm
Coz wrote:
ayatolli wrote:As much as I know you can export stems fromt he 2500 :o correct me if im wrong doe


You can't 'export' stems from the 2500. You can record the outputs in realtime into a mixer or interface, but that gets old fast, especially when modern machines enable you to do it with a few button presses.


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what's these guys talking about then? Sorry if I mix stuff up... :c maybe they're talking about something completely different.

"man you are doing it the hard way.

Just use the TAKE function in JJOSXL song mode.
Do it for every track and you have all the stems you want. You solo the track and do a take, then you have stem to drag off CF card or hard drive.

Also another function you have to learn is pad to track. Make your drum track and then use this function to copy every separate pad to a separate track in one go." -bliprock

is that what u meant?
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By Coz Wed May 30, 2018 10:19 pm
ayatolli wrote:what's these guys talking about then?


They're talking about manually resampling each track and saving it. It's not the same thing.

dazastah wrote:Still, A laborious effort .. Bouncing/taking each track/ even if each pad is converted/moved to a track .. I'd atlest use 16 pads for drums, then another maybe 16 for perc sfx... then maybe 3 or 4 sample layers/tracks.. ... a 3minute song to stem out would take about 1hr...


:nod:
By ayatolli Wed May 30, 2018 10:33 pm
Coz wrote:
ayatolli wrote:what's these guys talking about then?


They're talking about manually resampling each track and saving it. It's not the same thing.

dazastah wrote:Still, A laborious effort .. Bouncing/taking each track/ even if each pad is converted/moved to a track .. I'd atlest use 16 pads for drums, then another maybe 16 for perc sfx... then maybe 3 or 4 sample layers/tracks.. ... a 3minute song to stem out would take about 1hr...


:nod:


ohh man. Why is everyone praising the 25k so much then?...
Why can't Akai just make another standalone sampler with accu but without touchscreen and with solid software like the 25k and same workflow...

yes, it seems im that kinda stupid to hold onto the 2500 even though the Live is better...
or is it?

Like am I the first to ever be in this situation? Holding onto something that's old and not as good as the modern counterpart but just believing in the old thing? Like I think about this shit all day... Live or 25k.

Yeah you got me all. Im insane!
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By Coz Wed May 30, 2018 10:49 pm
ayatolli wrote:Why is everyone praising the 25k so much then?...


Because it's a great MPC, like the rest of them. :smoker:
By ayatolli Wed May 30, 2018 11:30 pm
Coz wrote:
ayatolli wrote:Why is everyone praising the 25k so much then?...


Because it's a great MPC, like the rest of them. :smoker:


ahh yeah great... still don't know what route to go :(
As already said, tested the Live at the friend, still don't know...

By now I gave the most retarded impression humanly possible on this forum so I might aswell just say that somebody please say something that justifies getting the 2500 over the Live and that be it or the other way around...
By kaydigi Thu May 31, 2018 12:48 am
ayatolli wrote:ahh yeah great... still don't know what route to go :(
As already said, tested the Live at the friend, still don't know...

By now I gave the most retarded impression humanly possible on this forum so I might aswell just say that somebody please say something that justifies getting the 2500 over the Live and that be it or the other way around...


Sounds like you are dead set on the 2500.

http://www7a.biglobe.ne.jp/~mpc1000/mpc2500/os3_25os128xl.htm
By Certified Beatz Thu May 31, 2018 1:27 am
To each as own I owned the 2500 hated it really did I own a 3000 and 2000 now MPC X.. I had JJOS XL which was nice but was slow and the sound was subpar to say the least the 2000 had true boombap sound to it.. i can forget to the old Zip 100 and failure disks lol MPC X is the way to go standalone and controller mode..
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By MPC-Tutor Thu May 31, 2018 4:17 am
Personally I would go for the Live over the 2500. There is nothing classic about the 2500 sound and the hardware is old and was never built to particularly high standards. If you want that classic MPC sound and to work within tight technical limits, get a 3000. Otherwise get yourself a live or X. If you don't like it, just sell it. Stop overthinking it.