why do mpcs make the world go round?

my triton gets used on every single track and my music has never been called cheesey. If u give a cheesey line to and orchestra to play then it willsound as such. My boy has made entired albums with a cheap 80's casio keyboard.

Also keep in mind the beloved 808 was panned as being a toy that had cheesey sounds in it when it first came out in 1980. The LM-1 sold a lot more than the 808 did because it used actual samples and sounded realistic. In fact it was not a successful at all in terms of sales.

That is why roland used samples for the hi hats and crashes in the 909 instead of synthesis, however the 909 didn't sell that well either. The 909 didn't only catch on until the 90's with techno producers, long after it was discontinued.

The fender rhodes was also seen as a piano to just practice on. That is in fact why it was designed. Harold rhodes released it in 1946 to teach piano.
Where would soul/funk be without the rhodes. u would see 3/4 of your record collection disappear.
History is a mutha fu*ker
u can learn a lot from it

Exactly, so was the TB-303. But the triton was not coined cheezy in history, it is a great keyboard in most people's opinions and Korg have made a mint on it. Same way the DX-7 was a revolution, they didn't see it as cheezy either, but now?

What is more coveted now? The 808 or ther LM-1? (no diss to R. Linn)

The fender rhodes or electric home organs?

Where do you think the triton will be in history then?

I'm not saying it sucks, it does have a lot of power (so does the DX-7) and can be used well. I was describing keyboard beats, to me, they are people using cheezy triton PRESETS. I did not call the triton cheezy.

Also the sound of the triton synth is pretty distinct, especially in bad presets. You can hear the sound of certain synths and samplers, they leave a kind of signature. Sometimes it's hard to tell in recordings but people picking cheezy presets make it easier

I have never used the tritons sampler, so I don't know it's sound. I imagine it is pretty clean and useful.

But sometimes, aren't the cheesy sounds what you want? Like the Ruff Ryders Anthem. If whoever made the music to that _really_ thought the key sound wasn't good, they wouldn't have done it. When I hear a cheese Neptunes "guitar" preset, I assume they did that on purpose, and consequently I enjoy it more.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe most preset beat peeps have no sense of humor/irony...but I tend to think they do. Ya know, like so bad its good; so clean that it ends up sounding dirty. Am I alone in thinking that thuggish rapping sounds even more tough and badass over some cheesy string presets? Could I sound any more white in this post?


ps: fuuuuuck Neptunes. They stole some guys beats that he posted on THEIR OWN message board, and claimed they made them...weak.

I just hear laziness when I hear bad presets. I think they settle for the cheezy sounds because they don't want or don't know how to make a better sound on their triton.

Swiss beats is definately guilty of this.

elmacaco wrote:I just hear laziness when I hear bad presets. I think they settle for the cheezy sounds because they don't want or don't know how to make a better sound on their triton.

Swiss beats is definately guilty of this.

I feel ya... keyboard patches can sound great with pitch bend and modulation, u gota give swiss props for hotel though, if that was a plastic guitar then props, if not then props anyways for that track.

Good to hear everyone`s input that the MPC is a great machine and with time, effort, and dedication easy to master. But now its turning into a keys vs sampling arguement. My own two cents is there is nothing wrong with keyboard based beats if you know how to play keys. I repeat there is nothing wrong with keyboard based beats if you know how to play keys and program your synth. But to tell the truth alot of cats don`t know how to play well so they just make up some s*h*i*t* and it sounds cheesy and cheap. Alot don`t understand using the pitch, oscillation, filter, evelopes to evolve, layer, and shape the sounds or even sample a new sound in and mangle the shit up so they stuck using the presets and when they can`t find a new one they rehash the same shit or buy a new keyboard.

But I sample and I love keyboards of yesteryear because the artists knew how to play the riff, mold the sounds and put that emotion in the sounds. One of my favorite keyboard played records is the Kool and the Gangs "Summer Madness", the Gamble and Huff sounds, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, Foriegner, Barry White and others which is why I sample them. Alot of early Hip hop and Dre either played keys well or had the sense to get competent keyboard session players (Arthur Baker, Colin Wolfe,Easy Mo Dee and others) played the keys right.

Now two note wonders and simon says mofos **** up the scene for the mad green cheese. But all it takes it a competent mofo to blend the music right to do like Evil Dee said bring back the soul meaning not just samples of an era, but the feel, style, and the innovative, experimentive, playing and vibe for today. The record industry has a tight ass grip on controlling the industry with what they think is the magic sound that with sell records. Give the people garbage and they with buy it cuz that is all they see on MTV and what their friends are listening too.

Be the new John Legend ya hear.

It`s not the gear that wrong, its the player. Get your mind right.

By the way Self whats my name was a nice ass keyboard beat along with "Heat" by Swizz Beats back a few years ago.

its the fashion accessory of the 21st century

dj e.d.e wrote:times are changing and if you dont get on your going to get left behind,
it's good to know that you now your roots and foundations of where the music started, not to many fools nowadaze know that kinda sh!t,

i try to keep my sh!t simple thats why i use records because thats how it all started, with sample based music. these new producers use to much synth stuff to make there music, i say synths are good for elecrtonic music but hip hop should be rugged and grimeyand reproduced.

but like you said thats just my 2 cents
peace

i agree with you. Not that i dont think lil jon, or any dirty south doesnt bang...as i like that stuff too. But

DjChronoBeats wrote:

elmacaco wrote:I just hear laziness when I hear bad presets. I think they settle for the cheezy sounds because they don't want or don't know how to make a better sound on their triton.

Swiss beats is definately guilty of this.

I feel ya... keyboard patches can sound great with pitch bend and modulation, u gota give swiss props for hotel though, if that was a plastic guitar then props, if not then props anyways for that track.

are you talking about "holiday in" with snoop and chingy? if so that is one of the best cheesiest keyboard beats i love. Same with that one from the MCdonalds comercial (dont know who it was) and stunt 101