Official: Akai Force Topic

Is it battery powered???

I still don't understand Dan's comment...

To my understanding, both the MPC Live/X and the Force have 16GB internal storage, and both even share 2GB RAM and 4GB eMMC.

If they both have the same exact storage capacity, why couldn't you install the same amount of synths? does the Live/X take up more space than the Force?

Strange that Akai hasn't mentioned the Alexa / Amazon prime integration yet, I guess it's still beta.

What? Akai wouldn't get that right. Alexa voice would sound like Harlequin. After sentence she will pop a bubble with her gum.

richie wrote:Strange that Akai hasn't mentioned the Alexa / Amazon prime integration yet, I guess it's still beta.

aes-one wrote:I still don't understand Dan's comment...

To my understanding, both the MPC Live/X and the Force have 16GB internal storage, and both even share 2GB RAM and 4GB eMMC.

If they both have the same exact storage capacity, why couldn't you install the same amount of synths? does the Live/X take up more space than the Force?

It's something to do with the way the in built samples are stored on the Live/X hd (at least I think that's what he said).

I really hope the clip mode used in all the Force promos is transferred over to the Live/X. Even if it's not the main workspace I want it in there somewhere. Don't really need all those pads for launching when you can use the screen for what I want to do. The Force's pads are independent from the screen it means you can do some crazy live jamming in ways you can't do on the Live, so I really don't think it's necessary to omit the clip mode from the Live/X in order to differentiate between all the machines.

If we get that clip mode along with the Air FX then I am pretty and don't really care about not having HYPE. There's so many Air FX lol. The channel strip one made me particularly happy. Hopefully there's a volume lfo/sidechain, transient shaper and a reverb in there (dude didn't scroll the whole page).

Danoc wrote:Tutor, Dan said there's no room on the MPCs right? Is that because of ram ?

No, it's the 4GB eMMC that's the limitation. This is storage that's built directly into the main board itself and is what stores the OS and firmware. This is separate to the 16GB 'internal' drive which we now know is just a removable micro SD card (this is what stores the sample expansion library and the MPC Documents folder). The eMMC cannot be upgraded.

I assume that the built-in synths currently form an integral part of the firmware installation, like Hybrid does in the MPC Software. I guess the MPC firmware, having more features, takes up more space than the Force's, enough to mean that it can't hold any more sample heavy synths.

MPC-Tutor wrote:The eMMC cannot be upgraded.

It's technically possible to upgrade however the technical know how and ability to have and use a hot air rework to remove, dump the contents and flash on to a bigger eMMC and solder it back to the mainboard will exceed the average ability of someone in this area musical interest.

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... st13740838

1)Disk Streaming
2)Multi Midi Mode
3)Automation Lanes
4)More & better quality FX with the addition of sub grouping (Multiband Comp,sidechain,Stereo Reverb,True Peak Limiter etc.)
5)High Quality Warping
6)PDC

Things Dan says are on the to-do list.
That alone promises nothing of course (e.g., PDC has been missing since the early Ren days in 2012), but maybe there's hope...

MPC-Tutor wrote:

Danoc wrote:Tutor, Dan said there's no room on the MPCs right? Is that because of ram ?

No, it's the 4GB eMMC that's the limitation. This is storage that's built directly into the main board itself and is what stores the OS and firmware. This is separate to the 16GB 'internal' drive which we now know is just a removable micro SD card (this is what stores the sample expansion library and the MPC Documents folder). The eMMC cannot be upgraded.

I assume that the built-in synths currently form an integral part of the firmware installation, like Hybrid does in the MPC Software. I guess the MPC firmware, having more features, takes up more space than the Force's, enough to mean that it can't hold any more sample heavy synths.

Good information to know. I wonder how much bloat, can be reduced from the code. Is Linux taking up that much space? With the eMMC, is that why there is n, memory expansion slot?

CharlesRandolph wrote: Is Linux taking up that much space? With the eMMC, is that why there is n, memory expansion slot?

Embedded linux platforms tend to take up barely any space. You'd have the operating system image have all the executables precompiled and barely any additional libraries taking up system space. Usually that would be on a read only flash partition which requires as little as a few megabytes to operate.

A fair comparison could be made to say a broadband internet modem, or a cable box which would have anywhere from 2-8 megabytes worth of flash memory but 32-128mb of ram required to handle all the running executables.

richie wrote:Embedded linux platforms tend to take up barely any space. You'd have the operating system image have all the executable precompiled and barely any additional libraries taking up system space. Usually that would be on a read only flash partition which requires as little as a few megabytes to operate.

A fair comparison could be made to say a broadband internet modem, or a cable box which would have anywhere from 2-8 megabytes worth of flash memory but 32-128mb of ram required to handle all the running executable.

So the MPC OS is pretty large.

Does anyone have any information about recording performances on the new Force ?
Let's say you want to record your performance and export it

So I have a lot of "feelings" on this product based on purchases on my current roadmap.I don't want to get into too many details, but I was thinking about buying the MPC X later this calendar year or when I can net good financing (I finish all my guitar center payments this month w00t). For how much the X cost, I want to be sure that I am buying the right thing.

I'm 50/50 on this product itself, it isn't directly influencing this decision, but I'm wondering how its existence affects the MPC hardware ecosystem. Sure some things are dynamic and going to be based off sales, but is the MPC X going to be the pinnacle for only a year longer? Are they going to re-approach the hardware with an MK2 with better specs? I remember buying the Push and then (3) months later, watching the reveal for the Push 2.

This product shows the direction Akai is going (still hoping for a APC MK3 tho), and that would mean the chances of an X mk2 are higher than I initially thought...

And what DOES this mean for the APC line? I just mentioned wanting an update to the APC 40 mk2, but is this a flat out death knell to the APCs?
- Unreall

I'd say wait a bit longer. Ableton was hiring hardware developers with linux knowledge. Maybe they're cooking a standalone Push 3.

Unreallystic wrote:So I have a lot of "feelings" on this product based on purchases on my current roadmap.I don't want to get into too many details, but I was thinking about buying the MPC X later this calendar year or when I can net good financing (I finish all my guitar center payments this month w00t). For how much the X cost, I want to be sure that I am buying the right thing.

I'm 50/50 on this product itself, it isn't directly influencing this decision, but I'm wondering how its existence affects the MPC hardware ecosystem. Sure some things are dynamic and going to be based off sales, but is the MPC X going to be the pinnacle for only a year longer? Are they going to re-approach the hardware with an MK2 with better specs? I remember buying the Push and then (3) months later, watching the reveal for the Push 2.

This product shows the direction Akai is going (still hoping for a APC MK3 tho), and that would mean the chances of an X mk2 are higher than I initially thought...

And what DOES this mean for the APC line? I just mentioned wanting an update to the APC 40 mk2, but is this a flat out death knell to the APCs?
- Unreall

If I was you, I would get a 2nd hand Mpc Live and start with that and then see what happens.
Mpc X is way too expensive for a 2gb device.
2nd hand Live is the right price.
And I swear in a year or so there will be many standalone surprises.
I will stay on Live until they release something with at least 4gb or 8gb.
Live is very funny, go for it.