END OF THE MPC STANDALONE!!!

Danoc wrote:I thought Ab link was suppose to work with the Live and X?

I don't know where they went lol

What's wrong with ableton Link? Is it not working for some people?

I was just using the Live while it synced up to ableton link via imaschine on the iphone.

The largest sync I had was
impc2 ipad
korg gadget ipad
imaschine iphone
Reason (pc)
Ableton Live (pc)
and of course the live.

I just wondered if it worked. That's it. Im not going to use AB Link.

kaydigi wrote:

Danoc wrote:I thought Ab link was suppose to work with the Live and X?

I don't know where they went lol

What's wrong with ableton Link? Is it not working for some people?

I was just using the Live while it synced up to ableton link via imaschine on the iphone.

The largest sync I had was
impc2 ipad
korg gadget ipad
imaschine iphone
Reason (pc)
Ableton Live (pc)
and of course the live.

How did you record all those sources?

CharlesRandolph wrote:

kaydigi wrote:
What's wrong with ableton Link? Is it not working for some people?

I was just using the Live while it synced up to ableton link via imaschine on the iphone.

The largest sync I had was
impc2 ipad
korg gadget ipad
imaschine iphone
Reason (pc)
Ableton Live (pc)
and of course the live.

How did you record all those sources?

Two ways...

I have all the devices hooked up to a mixer, audio is routed to the mpc Live or mpc software via touch/studio. I just use the direct record option in the mpc and all the sources are locked to the grid as played. Ableton link is great in that regard.

The other way is to use the wav extract option on each device and and insert the wavs in the mpc software.

When I use the mpc Live and reason together , I just ableton link them together . When I finished using a reason sound module. I open the live project on the software, load a instance of ReWire VST (32/64-bit) (http://energy-xt.com/rewire-vst.html) and capture the reason audio into the mpc software.

Alternatively I can keep the project on the Live and direct record it directly on the Live.

kaydigi wrote:
Two ways...

I have all the devices hooked up to a mixer, audio is routed to the mpc Live or mpc software via touch/studio. I just use the direct record option in the mpc and all the sources are locked to the grid as played. Ableton link is great in that regard.

The other way is to use the wav extract option on each device and and insert the wavs in the mpc software.

When I use the mpc Live and reason together , I just ableton link them together . When I finished using a reason sound module. I open the live project on the software, load a instance of ReWire VST (32/64-bit) (http://energy-xt.com/rewire-vst.html) and capture the reason audio into the mpc software.

Alternatively I can keep the project on the Live and direct record it directly on the Live.

Are all devices connected via wifi or are you using Ethernet and Lightning Cable as well?

CharlesRandolph wrote:

hansjbs wrote:@charles you do know that this New MPC spec you posted will not happen anytime soon. No way akai jumps from 2 gig ram to 64-128gb. Financially the marketing department would not allow it because they won't make any money. That thing would cost an arm a leg and a newborn. Should they make it upgreadable? hell yeah let the consumer decides how far they wanna take the machine.
What we might hopefully get is a similar product to both the live and the X with maybe 4-8gb ram. 64gb hard drive witn options to upgrade.

That's the idea. However the marketing department has nothing to do with budget. As far as it making money, yes it will. Limited edition 2000 units at $4100 each. The software is already done and ready to run on x86 format. So the only thing is design and sourcing parts. User can upgrade their RAM and SSD.

The machine would sell itself, no need for a glorified marketing plan.

I see you don’t fully understand that the marketing department plays a big role in sales so yes they have a say in budget. As an engineer we do a lot of work for the department of defense and I’m always for adding the latest bells and whistle for either our radar or our electronic warfare products. I mean why not sell our navy and army the best we can. I was schooled on how you market and even tho you might have the technology you sell it in increments. For example Apple had 1gb in their iPad and IPhone for years while android tablets and phones had already increased from 1 to 2 to 4 go ram. It’s not because apple couldn’t do it but because they fed it to the public in increments. You look at both apple and Android now neck in neck when it comes to how powerful a device is. Why some might ask when android had the lead well because of smart marketing. Marketing, engineering and sales departments working well together. They knew Android would get to a point where they wouldn’t be able to upgrade anymore as software is always ahead of hardware. Same shit applies to the MPC, why would I sell you a fully spec MPC now when I can piece meal it. If I seek you an mpc with 16gb ram and 500gb ssd, next few years consumers will expect double that. If I give you increments of it not only am I prolonging the lifespan of the hardware, also the stabilizing the need of the consumer when it comes to power and feature. Which will also help our engineer with time for the next new innovation. This is what we’ve been doing and it works well. We’re working on product which we’re projecting will hit the market in about 10 years. Android came out with their flex screen phones, you don’t think apple already had a prototype and their just looking to see how people feel about it before they capitalize on it. That’s smart marketing, sales and engineering.

hansjbs wrote:
I see you don’t fully understand that the marketing department plays a big role in sales so yes they have a say in budget. As an engineer we do a lot of work for the department of defense and I’m always for adding the latest bells and whistle for either our radar or our electronic warfare products. I mean why not sell our navy and army the best we can. I was schooled on how you market and even tho you might have the technology you sell it in increments. For example Apple had 1gb in their iPad and IPhone for years while android tablets and phones had already increased from 1 to 2 to 4 go ram. It’s not because apple couldn’t do it but because they fed it to the public in increments. You look at both apple and Android now neck in neck when it comes to how powerful a device is. Why some might ask when android had the lead well because of smart marketing. Marketing, engineering and sales departments working well together. They knew Android would get to a point where they wouldn’t be able to upgrade anymore as software is always ahead of hardware. Same **** applies to the MPC, why would I sell you a fully spec MPC now when I can piece meal it. If I seek you an mpc with 16gb ram and 500gb ssd, next few years consumers will expect double that. If I give you increments of it not only am I prolonging the lifespan of the hardware, also the stabilizing the need of the consumer when it comes to power and feature. Which will also help our engineer with time for the next new innovation. This is what we’ve been doing and it works well. We’re working on product which we’re projecting will hit the market in about 10 years. Android came out with their flex screen phones, you don’t think apple already had a prototype and their just looking to see how people feel about it before they capitalize on it. That’s smart marketing, sales and engineering.

Marketing department does submit their budget, but that's just a recommendation. The B.O.D are the one's who approves it. Nevertheless, I saw your WALL OF TEXT and decided that I was not going to read the rest. I'm sure your saying something, but you need to format, your Great Wall of China.

CharlesRandolph wrote:I'm not going to lie, I saw your WALL OF TEXT and decided that I was not going to read it.

Dickhead.

richie wrote:Dickhead.

I'm not his editor, format that wall of text.

kaydigi wrote:Two ways...

I have all the devices hooked up to a mixer, audio is routed to the mpc Live or mpc software via touch/studio. I just use the direct record option in the mpc and all the sources are locked to the grid as played. Ableton link is great in that regard.

The other way is to use the wav extract option on each device and and insert the wavs in the mpc software.

When I use the mpc Live and reason together , I just ableton link them together . When I finished using a reason sound module. I open the live project on the software, load a instance of ReWire VST (32/64-bit) (http://energy-xt.com/rewire-vst.html) and capture the reason audio into the mpc software.

Alternatively I can keep the project on the Live and direct record it directly on the Live.

I've never heard of http://energy-xt.com/energyxt.html thank you for sharing. I'm checking it now.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

richie wrote:Dickhead.

I'm not his editor, format that wall of text.

I'm typing on my phone I ain't got no time for that. You don't have to read it

Fanu wrote:• being able to delete or edit specific automation and not delete all in one go
I recently sold all my Elektron gear, for example, but did still keep Live as its workflow is dope in making sample-based music.

I thought you can delete or edit specific Automation events in the List Edit Window. That's where I Edit my Automation

CharlesRandolph wrote:You see if the MPK 249 and the LIVE actually talked to each other. You would not need the hybrid. Nevertheless, if you use the MPC 2.0 software, then your live and MPK 249 could talk to the software. However, the MPC LIVE/X does not have VIP 3.0 integrations. They are just throw things against the wall, and hoping something will stick.

They made the Akai Fire for FL Studios and you can link 4 of them together, to work as one big unit. However, Akai Pro can't do that with the MPC LIVE, X and Force. My goodness

Its not about "needing" the hybrid, I can use existing controllers to play things out on the MPC. Its about transferring the the MPC engines potential into an instrument that is more playable - what they did with the Force, but instead of giving us a Push 3 - give us a real keybed and more knobs, opening a path for more readily accessible live synthesis, that doesn't "stop" when switching programs. Less of trying to hamfist a DAW into a box, and more of creating an instrument that has access to the MPC workflow, but is a functional synth in its own right, I could take it by itself to a studio and use it like a full blown workstation due to the MPC Live roots, but I can also plug it into a mixer/console and play/track out a melody using some of the various synth engines built in.

More dreamy/exact for me would be mixing my System-8 with the MPC - a quality synth that has (3) other quality synths built in, but would also be able to sample, have Wave Table synthesis using those samples, had MPC QUALITY pads, clip launching, etc. But that's more specific to me and not a formal request heh.
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I guess I don't see it as throwing stuff against the wall, as its what they've done for a while now, and not new. The MPK is not new. I don't know who approached who about the original Push, but that set Akai on the path of designing controllers for popular DAWs, so the Fire wasn't crazy to me (I have 2). Heck the Force is nothing but the APC (its original name) with MPC capabilities added on top...I was looking to get an APC when the Force came out, which is what lead me to getting one (trying to build up my live looping chops, long way to go tbh)...and the APC is pretty legendary in its own right at this point (I guess it was the precursor to the Push thinking about it now).

I mean if you aren't happy with their execution - you are more than qualified to feel that way, but I don't personally have huge fault with what they've tried to do, if anything I feel they haven't been aggressive enough, let me be in charge and there would be a constant stream of hardware in the same vein as cellphones. I'd have a (3) year cycle for each MPC based offering, with (3) different platforms, each offset by a year, with the flagship being the "spec bump" for the next generation. I'd treat the release like Amazon/Google as well, live presentation, show off some other new gear, etc. That stream of consistent money, and roadmap for growth would make fixing things easier.

But I don't have that kind of power...so I'm just going to talk about it on an internet forum...
-Unreall

CharlesRandolph wrote:

kaydigi wrote:
Two ways...

I have all the devices hooked up to a mixer, audio is routed to the mpc Live or mpc software via touch/studio. I just use the direct record option in the mpc and all the sources are locked to the grid as played. Ableton link is great in that regard.

The other way is to use the wav extract option on each device and and insert the wavs in the mpc software.

When I use the mpc Live and reason together , I just ableton link them together . When I finished using a reason sound module. I open the live project on the software, load a instance of ReWire VST (32/64-bit) (http://energy-xt.com/rewire-vst.html) and capture the reason audio into the mpc software.

Alternatively I can keep the project on the Live and direct record it directly on the Live.

Are all devices connected via wifi or are you using Ethernet and Lightning Cable as well?

Everything is on WiFi except the main desktop that runs ableton live 10, and the mpc software. That’s wired into the router.

The laptop running reason is on WiFi. Every iOS device is on WiFi. They are just connected to the mixer with stereo rca to headphone cables.


It’s funny because you can even ableton link the live to the mpc software. Make the mpc software run VST’s and do everything else on the Live.


Whenever I unbox the force I’ll be using it on link also.

CharlesRandolph wrote:...However, the MPC LIVE/X does not have VIP 3.0 integrations. They are just throw things against the wall, and hoping something will stick...

A lesser issue I have with Akai. Why not create an ecosystem? Why not have these products work together?

When I was redoing my set up, I knew I wanted a beat machine & keyboard, linked to software/DAW. I wanted 4x4 pads, so that took Ableton & Push out. The MPC was better featured than Maschine for my needs despite me having many Native Instrument VIs. I was shocked that the Advance boards nor VIP were integrated with the MPC.

I ended up with the Live and Komplete Kontrol S which turned out well, giving me the best of both worlds. The KK is integrated well; I'd say 70% of its features work alongside the MPC, including transport controls, control over my VIs, etc. Even though I work in the software, I'm almost never looking at the CPU.

Why in the world would Akai not tie the MPC & Andvance together like the Maschine & KK is beyond me. I wonder if the Advance is integrated even as well as the KK.