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New Models are a sign of Growth! 3 Years of Beating a Dead Horse for a couple features is Stagnating.

In My eyes, Disk Streaming & Multi Midi Input cannot happen with the Current Hardware. Akai will NOT admit that to us, because they are still Available in stores. No sense in Stunting Near Future Sales. Pacification of Fat Filler New Features are added...AKA...Three Card Molly technique while New Model Developing is in Effect.

Bottom Line....Akai Late 2000s is NOT Akai of the 90s, Back then Performance was Priority. Now Economics is Priority. $$$$

40Beatz wrote:New Models are a sign of Growth! 3 Years of Beating a Dead Horse for a couple features is Stagnating.

In My eyes, Disk Streaming & Multi Midi Input cannot happen with the Current Hardware. Akai will NOT admit that to us, because they are still Available in stores. No sense in Stunting Near Future Sales. Pacification of Fat Filler New Features are added...AKA...Three Card Molly technique while New Model Developing is in Effect.

Bottom Line....Akai Late 2000s is NOT Akai of the 90s, Back then Performance was Priority. Now Economics is Priority. $$$$

Imagine if they unify performance and economy.
Seriously, what you say is the trend of all music business.
We are getting.used to buy unready products for features different from what was advertised.
Like the famous advertised 2gb of Ram on Mpc when it was released.
Or also XY on Mpc, great idea badly implemented just to sell more units.
Customers just became passive and all became profit.
I am.still waiting for someone who unifies economy and performance.

40Beatz wrote:In My eyes, Disk Streaming & Multi Midi Input cannot happen with the Current Hardware. Akai will NOT admit that to us, because they are still Available in stores

As a programmer and quite technical person, I can tell you that this assertion makes no sense. Multiple MIDI inputs is almost entirely an issue of GUI: making it possible to select/route the inputs, how to save mappings and make sure they come back when you load a file, etc. It is not some hard PhD-level coding problem, except maybe if the existing code makes it hard due to some foul-up on Akai's part. Disk streaming is more technical, but it is absolutely nothing this hardware can't handle - the issue is again mainly integrating it with the code that's already there. These are Linux computers as or even more powerful than a Raspberry Pi 3 and and people have been connecting multiple MIDI controllers and streaming audio from disk on those for years. It's a software problem. New hardware will not magically make these features work.

Akai could shove an MPC Live mkII through the door any time they want, of course, but how many people with the old models would buy again from a company like that, and how many new people would hold off buying if they saw the old models treated in this way. If they've any sense they fix the omissions as promised before releasing the new versions as upgrades.

Edit yes but sound design no. I use those sexy Air Effects in the Live.

CharlesRandolph wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to edit and design in Audacity?

I’m assuming Frisbi has something saved in his project that is causing his glitches. I have an old project, just one that is all whacked out. The pads don’t trigger right, sequences don’t play right etc.

If you have a project filled with undo and redos it really messes with things. Try rebuilding the project on a clean slate would be my first step.

Cockdiesel wrote:I’m assuming Frisbi has something saved in his project that is causing his glitches. I have an old project, just one that is all whacked out. The pads don’t trigger right, sequences don’t play right etc.

If you have a project filled with undo and redos it really messes with things. Try rebuilding the project on a clean slate would be my first step.

I don't think so.
Some of these projects are made after 2.5.
But same issue.

rvense wrote:

40Beatz wrote:In My eyes, Disk Streaming & Multi Midi Input cannot happen with the Current Hardware. Akai will NOT admit that to us, because they are still Available in stores

As a programmer and quite technical person, I can tell you that this assertion makes no sense. Multiple MIDI inputs is almost entirely an issue of GUI: making it possible to select/route the inputs, how to save mappings and make sure they come back when you load a file, etc. It is not some hard PhD-level coding problem, except maybe if the existing code makes it hard due to some foul-up on Akai's part. Disk streaming is more technical, but it is absolutely nothing this hardware can't handle - the issue is again mainly integrating it with the code that's already there. These are Linux computers as or even more powerful than a Raspberry Pi 3 and and people have been connecting multiple MIDI controllers and streaming audio from disk on those for years. It's a software problem. New hardware will not magically make these features work.

Akai could shove an MPC Live mkII through the door any time they want, of course, but how many people with the old models would buy again from a company like that, and how many new people would hold off buying if they saw the old models treated in this way. If they've any sense they fix the omissions as promised before releasing the new versions as upgrades.

Its Makes Hella Sense!
Each Track Needs a Port Assignment in order for Multi Midi In to work Properly. BUT...being as the way the Current Hardware Routing Structure of only being able to control the Active Track, they would have to Restructure the Chipsets on the I/O Board.

If it were a Magically Easy GUI fix, i seriously think it would have addressed already!

Disk Streaming.....IMHO...You still would need some Memory Buffering(hardware) to handle the Large Files streaming from HDD. Right now...I think we're Maxed Out on Internal Memory lol

Like i said before...Its A Wrap for those two requests. But right now, its the Most Powerful Standalone out

40Beatz wrote:Each Track Needs a Port Assignment in order for Multi Midi In to work Properly. BUT...being as the way the Current Hardware Routing Structure of only being able to control the Active Track, they would have to Restructure the Chipsets on the I/O Board.

I've taken my Live apart (hw + sw) and I'm a bit of a Linux nerd, so I have a bit more context here than you seem to.

The MIDI "chipset" on the I/O board is a single STM32 microcontroller connected to the main processor via USB and it presents the DINs as two independent MIDI input ports to ALSA, the MIDI system that all Linux applications use. It absolutely is a software/GUI thing. If I connect my Live to my (Linux) computer in controller mode, I see the MIDI ports same as the Live does when it's in standalone, and they're completely independent.

Note that when I say "simple GUI thing", that doesn't mean it needs to be a five minute fix in the context of Akai's application. It probably breaks a lot of the assumptions that their track handling was built on, I don't know their code at all, but it's absolutely not a hardware issue. It's just that they've spent the programmer hours on this Ableton Live controller mode and the new mixer and stuff that came out with the Force instead.

40Beatz wrote:Disk Streaming.....IMHO...You still would need some Memory Buffering(hardware) to handle the Large Files streaming from HDD. Right now...I think we're Maxed Out on Internal Memory lol

The Live/X are computers of a very familiar form, it's not some exotic 90's design with many different kinds of memory and complex custom hardware. There's a main processor with 2GB memory and that's it. The OS and MPC application reserve a chunk and the rest (1.3GB on my Live with 2.7[0]) is where your samples go when you load them up. For disk streaming, instead of loading entire files into the memory, you load smaller chunks at a time (so memory usage goes down, not up - that's the whole point). The problem with this is that maybe a lot of the rest of the software was built on assumptions that no longer hold if you start streaming from disk instead of having it all in RAM, but it's not that the processor is incapable of streaming a bit of audio from disk.

[0] I've actually modified the firmware on my Live to run SSH so I can log in and run commands, and that's what the Linux command 'free' outputs

The ROLAND SP-404 does disk streaming and the MPC 2000XL can record Multi channels at once. So you're saying the MPC LIVE/X can't.

40Beatz wrote:Its Makes Hella Sense!
Each Track Needs a Port Assignment in order for Multi Midi In to work Properly. BUT...being as the way the Current Hardware Routing Structure of only being able to control the Active Track, they would have to Restructure the Chipsets on the I/O Board.

If it were a Magically Easy GUI fix, i seriously think it would have addressed already!

Disk Streaming.....IMHO...You still would need some Memory Buffering(hardware) to handle the Large Files streaming from HDD. Right now...I think we're Maxed Out on Internal Memory lol

Like i said before...Its A Wrap for those two requests. But right now, its the Most Powerful Standalone out

+10000 Rvense, his EGO is to big to listen to reason.

rvense wrote:

40Beatz wrote:Each Track Needs a Port Assignment in order for Multi Midi In to work Properly. BUT...being as the way the Current Hardware Routing Structure of only being able to control the Active Track, they would have to Restructure the Chipsets on the I/O Board.

I've taken my Live apart (hw + sw) and I'm a bit of a Linux nerd, so I have a bit more context here than you seem to.

The MIDI "chipset" on the I/O board is a single STM32 microcontroller connected to the main processor via USB and it presents the DINs as two independent MIDI input ports to ALSA, the MIDI system that all Linux applications use. It absolutely is a software/GUI thing. If I connect my Live to my (Linux) computer in controller mode, I see the MIDI ports same as the Live does when it's in standalone, and they're completely independent.

Note that when I say "simple GUI thing", that doesn't mean it needs to be a five minute fix in the context of Akai's application. It probably breaks a lot of the assumptions that their track handling was built on, I don't know their code at all, but it's absolutely not a hardware issue. It's just that they've spent the programmer hours on this Ableton Live controller mode and the new mixer and stuff that came out with the Force instead.

40Beatz wrote:Disk Streaming.....IMHO...You still would need some Memory Buffering(hardware) to handle the Large Files streaming from HDD. Right now...I think we're Maxed Out on Internal Memory lol

The Live/X are computers of a very familiar form, it's not some exotic 90's design with many different kinds of memory and complex custom hardware. There's a main processor with 2GB memory and that's it. The OS and MPC application reserve a chunk and the rest (1.3GB on my Live with 2.7[0]) is where your samples go when you load them up. For disk streaming, instead of loading entire files into the memory, you load smaller chunks at a time (so memory usage goes down, not up - that's the whole point). The problem with this is that maybe a lot of the rest of the software was built on assumptions that no longer hold if you start streaming from disk instead of having it all in RAM, but it's not that the processor is incapable of streaming a bit of audio from disk.

[0] I've actually modified the firmware on my Live to run SSH so I can log in and run commands, and that's what the Linux command 'free' outputs

You Guys got it. I'll Cross My Fingers and Keep Dreaming

CharlesRandolph wrote:The ROLAND SP-404 does disk streaming and the MPC 2000XL can record Multi channels at once. So you're saying the MPC LIVE/X can't.

Basically lol. 404 is not utilizing memory for huge GUI like the LIve/X. Much easier to Disk Stream.
Legacy Units are what they are. These New "Akai" units are design by different People. Just like The "Linux Nerd" said. Outsourcing Boards from elsewhere, trying to Mimic Legacy Units is challenging.

But...I Concede!

You guys got it. They'll be releasing Multi and Disk Streaming on Next Update

40Beatz wrote:

CharlesRandolph wrote:The ROLAND SP-404 does disk streaming and the MPC 2000XL can record Multi channels at once. So you're saying the MPC LIVE/X can't.

Basically lol. 404 is not utilizing memory for huge GUI like the LIve/X. Much easier to Disk Stream.
Legacy Units are what they are. These New "Akai" units are design by different People. Just like The "Linux Nerd" said. Outsourcing Boards from elsewhere, trying to Mimic Legacy Units is challenging.

But...I Concede!

You guys got it. They'll be releasing Multi and Disk Streaming on Next Update

Hey man, they aren’t saying that. Only saying that the machine is capable of both - which it is; whereas you keep posting that it isn’t, that’s all. Chill out. Peace.

I don't know what Akai Pro timeline is, however I do know it's more than possible to do.

40Beatz wrote:Basically lol. 404 is not utilizing memory for huge GUI like the LIve/X. Much easier to Disk Stream.
Legacy Units are what they are. These New "Akai" units are design by different People. Just like The "Linux Nerd" said. Outsourcing Boards from elsewhere, trying to Mimic Legacy Units is challenging.

But...I Concede!

You guys got it. They'll be releasing Multi and Disk Streaming on Next Update

CharlesRandolph wrote:I don't know what Akai Pro timeline is, however I do know it's more than possible to do.

40Beatz wrote:Basically lol. 404 is not utilizing memory for huge GUI like the LIve/X. Much easier to Disk Stream.
Legacy Units are what they are. These New "Akai" units are design by different People. Just like The "Linux Nerd" said. Outsourcing Boards from elsewhere, trying to Mimic Legacy Units is challenging.

But...I Concede!

You guys got it. They'll be releasing Multi and Disk Streaming on Next Update

Yeah but on a new hardware