TheDoctor wrote:Frisbi wrote:@ Thedoctor
More or less I agree with you, the majority of people filling forums with requests are just nerds or the sort, and they think the most cool gears they have, the most they are cool. Meanwhile people who really make music and live with it, don't waste a second on these forums. And they can make masterpieces with 32mb samplers and the sort.
But there is one thing to say.
Given that companies today release unfinished gears, and every company makes it today, then the gear you buy will need years to reach its true potential and it makes sense that people ask for updates to solve problems related to the fact that the gear they bought was just unfinished and not ready at the time it was released.
I don't know if you had the chance to put your hands on Mpc Live or X a couple of years ago, when it was on OS 1.7.
If you compare it with Mpc of 2.6, it is another instrument. The updating process was impressive, on 1.7 there were no synths, the effects were very lame and there were bugs everywhere.
The product manager of Akai was talking daily to users on Gearsluts forum and everything they put on Mpc came also from users suggestions.
Then the manager disappeared from GS after Mpc reached a good point.
I also escaped from that forum, some months later, because it is a forum full of nerds and unkind people to say the least.
So I guess this is a sort of marketing trend, they release products and then make it good through users feedback until it reaches the maturity.
The problem is the quality of feedback you can get on these kind of forums where real musicians don't write anything.
I also don't like to buy unready products as well, I would much prefer to get a gear for what it gives me without thinking it will be improved but it is working like this for every gear and every company that makes hardware in 2020.
And I am happy with Live as it is now, I don't need disk streaming and other requested features but I could not say that when I bought it and it was running 1.7 OS.
Yeah and that's why we shouldn't give money to companies. This trend is spreading all over mate. I'm an hardcore videogame, actually I was because any new videogame get released in beta and they slow update till a new product come out. In the end they make more money like this because they need less resources to make a product.
I didn't buy an MPC in the beginning. I bought one in 2020 because I like where it is. If maybe people stop buying just because something is new or cheap, maybe we could see an improvement. Overall is the end users to define what big companies do, McDonald's is selling vegan burgers because it has to otherwise they lose too much money. If Akai didn't get any money from people in the beginning they could shut down or work seriously on update. Think about it:I have a product people buy in beta version, I might have MPC 4.0 already but people buy my product in beta so instead of realising it I give to you small updates so you think I'm working on it, in reality I'm just tracking your movement and when I need I make a new MPC with 3.0. And I repeat the circle over and over again because you buy a beta product.
MPC will get disk streaming because now it will compete with Digitakt. Loopop on YouTube received one and that's more your typical synth modular guy than your chop sample guy. See what they're doing?
Unfortunately who really give money to people are all hobbyist. That's how Behringer sells.
And about the Akai guy replied to people, **** that! It's just getting information to give to you what you want so they don't have to extra plan on updates. I want a Roger Linn who make a finished and iconic product. A Bob Moog that makes the first analog synth. My point is what people request is the usual stuff what an individual make could be totally unique if he just care about his idea.
Same for tecnique. The standard of today are from who brake the standard of yesterday. People can just suggest you what's standard but they won't come up with something new, that's done by few smart individuals.
About the kind of feedback I totally agree, sometimes I just can't read forum because they're full of basic question which they can answer with few minutes on google. Imagine the customer service of Akai hoe many stupid question it has, that doesn't help us. Because they have data showing the majority of their used are noobs. Back in the day this type of gear was not accessible to everyone, Bob Moog talked with musicians and Buchla with composer when they make their synth. Companies now days they probably talk with "I have a cute face and my YouTube channel has a lot of view for not reason, because I read what I said on LANDR"
Yeah man I agree 100% with your views, I am also kind of getting bored for how situation is moving in forums and marketing but honestly this time Akai is making a good job.
I don't know about the corporation and the marketing choices, and of course they give their products drop by drop to stay in the trend but I am quite happy how they are developing Mpc, I think they are still very smart somehow and the idea behind Mpc is a winner idea, in my opinion.
joke apart these MPC are the best sampler/main brain. A lot of box are unique but often they're just part of your system where with an MPC, what else you need? If they implement the arrangement on the MPC too, it's the end for the rest 
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