MPC Live/X/One owners: a new age of hip-hop sampling?

Man this thread escalated quickly.

Not sure how sample clearing goes in the the industry but I know a few of the guys I looked up to basically quit making hip hop beats after they were sued.

I’m sure this can be a great resource but it may take time to build something more widely useable.

Seems like a good idea to me but what do I know, I barely sample as it is.

CharlesRandolph wrote:
Have you listened to the samples on that site. It's like every black face song ever made.

Report say, 500,000 original master recordings.

Yeah l heard a lil bit really not interested. If l want ti sample l have a source.

500,000 is a lot and they tried to like lie about it.

Danoc wrote:500,000 is a lot and they tried to like lie about it.

They said in 2008, they lost 22 masters.

NearTao wrote:https://diymusician.cdbaby.com/music-rights/clear-samples-to-copyrighted-music/

No numbers, but a decent outline of the process that'll help somebody see how the numbers add up.

Great article - and it's sobering, for sure.

Cockdiesel wrote:Not sure how sample clearing goes in the industry but I know a few of the guys I looked up to basically quit making hip hop beats after they were sued.

Exactly.

Back in the day, PWEI's critically acclaimed "This Is the Day...This Is the Hour...This Is This!" album cost their label a pretty penny to clear their samples, and that was before most of the artists wised up to the practice of having their stuff used in other people's work. An album like that simply couldn't happen these days, although there are some exceptions. The Avalanches "Frontier Psychiatrist" was one of the last tracks I can remember having such a large pool of material featured in it, and that was 20 years ago!

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Danoc wrote:500,000 is a lot and they tried to like lie about it.

They said in 2008, they lost 22 masters.

22 and 500,000 is a total big difference.

Danoc wrote:22 and 500,000 is a total big difference.

It was about 23k copies of each of the 22...

Danoc wrote:22 and 500,000 is a total big difference.

They still don't know what was lost. Everything is alleged, after that class actions lawsuit hit.

As far as sampling is concerned, the only reason a person get sued is because they're lazy. Some will sample a 4 bar drum loop and cry about it. while others will chop the kick, snare, hi hat and layer them, then create their own drum pattern and never have to worry.

I’m not sure that’s really fair Charles. These guys were pretty obscure and sampling obscure stuff. They were mainly underground and just trying to make a name for themselves. This was like 20 years ago, and if I recall correctly it was some string sample. This was just as things were turning and they were early victims to things changing with Napster being sued around that time too.

At the time I was like how does some random dude from the 70’s even know he had been sampled by some unknown hip hop act. Might have even boosted the original dudes sales.
There was a lot going down with ninja tune around that time, a big legal mess up and down.

CharlesRandolph wrote:others will chop the kick, snare, hi hat and layer them, then create their own drum pattern....

Cockdiesel wrote:I’m not sure that’s really fair Charles. These guys were pretty obscure and sampling obscure stuff. They were mainly underground and just trying to make a name for themselves. This was like 20 years ago, and if I recall correctly it was some string sample. This was just as things were turning and they were early victims to things changing with Napster being sued around that time too.

At the time I was like how does some random dude from the 70’s even know he had been sampled by some unknown hip hop act. Might have even boosted the original dudes sales. There was a lot going down with ninja tune around that time, a big legal mess up and down.

Labels knew what was going on, but the money was too small for them to care. But once artist built a fan based and those old records really started to sale. That's when the labels would swoop in.

The truth is people really started to get lazy because they thought. Well they didn't catch me the last 10 times, so they must not care. WRONG! It used to be easy to license music, then all of sudden the licensing company wouldn't touch any music with sample in it. Because they were getting sued by the majors.

Why do you think people adopted the no sample snitching. Because labels would find out and go after the back catalog. Just like their doing now, but with digital its so much easier.

CharlesRandolph wrote:while others will chop the kick, snare, hi hat and layer them, then create their own drum pattern and never have to worry.

Ok charlie you're talking WAY TO MUCH HERE! Ssssshhhh

Cockdiesel wrote:
At the time I was like how does some random dude from the 70’s even know he had been sampled by some unknown hip hop act. Might have even boosted the original dudes sales.
There was a lot going down with ninja tune around that time, a big legal mess up and down.

They started new jobs way back, they were called in the street "THE SAMPLING POLICE". Their jobs were to sit basically all day listen to music for uncleared samples.

Deborah Mannis came along and just about clear any sample. Prince told her he doesn't clear samples of his music period.

But that's how they found out. You kmow they had some sampling snitches lol and they would get paid for info.

It turned into a dirty game that's why l stopped.

I was sitting at a panel of producers in like 97, people were talking going back and forth, it was giving me a headach. I got so fed up, stood up and said "IF THE LAW SAID YOU COULDN'T SAMPLE ANY RECORD EVER AND YOU WERE CAUGHT AND THEY SAID YOU HAD TO TEN YEARS WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

It was so dam silent l could hear my own organs twisting. I dont know where that came from and whIy l said that but that affirmed my position. F*** sampling and l left. Lesrned how to make my own music. But sampling is back a lil bit.

Danoc wrote:

Cockdiesel wrote:
At the time I was like how does some random dude from the 70’s even know he had been sampled by some unknown hip hop act. Might have even boosted the original dudes sales.
There was a lot going down with ninja tune around that time, a big legal mess up and down.

They started new jobs way back, they were called in the street "THE SAMPLING POLICE". Their jobs were to sit basically all day listen to music for uncleared samples.

Deborah Mannis came along and just about clear any sample. Prince told her he doesn't clear samples of his music period.

But that's how they found out. You kmow they had some sampling snitches lol and they would get paid for info.

It turned into a dirty game that's why l stopped.

I was sitting at a panel of producers in like 97, people were talking going back and forth, it was giving me a headach. I got so fed up, stood up and said "IF THE LAW SAID YOU COULDN'T SAMPLE ANY RECORD EVER AND YOU WERE CAUGHT AND THEY SAID YOU HAD TO TEN YEARS WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

It was so dam silent l could hear my own organs twisting. I dont know where that came from and whIy l said that but that affirmed my position. F*** sampling and l left. Lesrned how to make my own music. But sampling is back a lil bit.

And it's factual history like this that just proves my point. A genre of music was literally changed because of this.

I realize the Library of Congress database might not be to everyone's liking, and clearly you're not going to find all hits of the 60's, 70's and 80's in there to sample, but it's still pretty cool.

EnochLight wrote:
And it's factual history like this that just proves my point. A genre of music was literally changed because of this.

This didn't change rap music, because rap music didn't start from sampling.

CharlesRandolph wrote:This didn't change rap music, because rap music didn't start from sampling.

Who said anything about changing rap music? Stop trying to move the conversation's goal posts, Charlie - you're embarrassing yourself.