DRUM TECHNIQUES 4 DA MPC

Danoc wrote:If the drums aren't right the rest of the track won't. The drums are the backbone of the track and if it's not right it's going to flop everything. I hope we can help people get that straight, believe it, if you get those drums right everything will fall in place.

Peace.

IMO this is a bit too generalized. A track can sound good although the drums dosn't sound nice without the other elements. Lets say you have a really nice Loop of a Jazz record. Then you add some drums from a drumbreak but instead of mixing the drums solo you add and mix them while the Loop is playing till you're satisfied.
Now when you solo the drums you hear artifacts in the sound that doesn't sound good (might be a weird resonance on the snare or a light hihat or sticksound in the release of a kick that doesn't really fit to the tempo) It does sound great with the loop tho cause then the 'artifacts' fit to the loop and add character. When you get rid of the artifacs the drums sound nice in solo but with the loop it looses something.

Hope you know what I trying to say

I guess it depends what you trying to accomplish and the role of the elements. Yes, when drums are the backbone they should sound good in solo IMO. But they doesn't neccesery play this role in a track.

I was surprized when I downloaded and heard some of the stems of popular songs and how some of them sound in solo.

peace

Levulz2it wrote:That post was obviously before I watched danocs video. Brooo...i definitely don't mix like that lol and its obvious. Im going to mix the 281 battle and see what I come up with.

Mix just the drums and upload them so we can hear. Try you best to make just the drums sound fantastic.

Dam didn't know there was a Reason lite.
Unless you slide me your entire stems from front to back in wav. Format of each sound in a zip file if you like.

I think my vid is ok but the new one l will make will be much better. Its something to work with.

Levulz2it wrote:That post was obviously before I watched danocs video. Brooo...i definitely don't mix like that lol and its obvious. Im going to mix the 281 battle and see what I come up with.

Also danoc, I couldn't do that anyway. I have reason lite and if you save it in the full version I won't be able to open it. Appreciate you saying yes tho!

What up with Danoc and those 19" LCD screens from 2003

For me l want my drums to sound great including the bass. My genres are RNB, Trap , Pop,Urban Pop and Dance Hall. Its important for my drums t o rock. Blending wonderful sounds around them.lm known for that so l gotta keep that...

I can offer my way, which isn't the only way and let a person chose from there.

peterpiper wrote:
IMO this is a bit too generalized. A track can sound good although the drums dosn't sound nice without the other elements. Lets say you have a really nice Loop of a Jazz record. Then you add some drums from a drumbreak but instead of mixing the drums solo you add and mix them while the Loop is playing till you're satisfied.
Now when you solo the drums you hear artifacts in the sound that doesn't sound good (might be a weird resonance on the snare or a light hihat or sticksound in the release of a kick that doesn't really fit to the tempo) It does sound great with the loop tho cause then the 'artifacts' fit to the loop and add character. When you get rid of the artifacs the drums sound nice in solo but with the loop it looses something.

Hope you know what I trying to say

I guess it depends what you trying to accomplish and the role of the elements. Yes, when drums are the backbone they should sound good in solo IMO. But they doesn't neccesery play this role in a track.

I was surprized when I downloaded and heard some of the stems of popular songs and how some of them sound in solo.

peace

richie wrote:What up with Danoc and those 19" LCD screens from 2003

Richie man lm going to kill you man
Those are 22inch monitors mang lol

How you doing bro? Glad you could stop by and shout a bro a holla!.
Join the convo too.

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Menco wrote:Sampling straight into the MPC for 95%. Sometimes I import them through USB.

I see. Yeah gain stage in digital is strange, because it really depends on what plug ins you use. Because some plug in are modeled after analog gear and they overload similar to the gear they model. When I mix, I mix with emotion over numbers. It's about how it makes you feel and message I want to convey.

In my DAW all gains are at zero and I don't touch them. I mix exclusively with the faders. I don't add eq, compress, or use any other effects until my dry sound good. (Focus on levels and pans) Then I group/bus instruments together, so I'm mixing with at most 8 faders.

After that I slowly add or cut with EQ to sounds that need it. During the Bus Mixing, I steer away from any compression, because all of that was handled during tracking. The last things, I tend to add is reverb and delays effects. I prefer to keep the session simple, that way it's easier to adjust.

Gotcha.

I also adjust levels and pan first. I once read/ heard that most fx should be correctional, cleaning up stuff or just balancing things out.

richie wrote:What up with Danoc and those 19" LCD screens from 2003

I still rock a 19" LCD screen

I only use that for working in Logic. HD or 4K and all that bullshit doesn't add any value for me.

Menco wrote:
Gotcha.

I also adjust levels and pan first. I once read/ heard that most fx should be correctional, cleaning up stuff or just balancing things out.

FX like reverb can also add space.

Will do it today after work...

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Levulz2it wrote:That post was obviously before I watched danocs video. Brooo...i definitely don't mix like that lol and its obvious. Im going to mix the 281 battle and see what I come up with.

Mix just the drums and upload them so we can hear. Try you best to make just the drums sound fantastic.

Yeah it came with my keystation. Also got ableton lite and pro tools lite but the pro tools crashes constantly and take like 8 mins to load. Its not my pc either, I got 64gb ram, new ryzen cpu etc.

The limitations of the "lite" versions is the same on all of them. Maximum of 8 tracks per file. Which sucks, but you can work around it. Like I used kong and just routed each pad to an out and created a separate bus for each so you can mix all the pads individually. Technically its one track because the midi is recorded on one instance of kong in the sequencer but it takes up 16 spots in the mixer if that makes sense.

I do have the stems, as I did the track in the mpc then mixdown each sequence into stems. Then I can arrange in reason where for instance the kicks from all my sequences can be on the same track. Like seq1,seq2 etc. That way I can mix the kicks, snares, hats, etc from the whole song together.

Danoc wrote:Dam didn't know there was a Reason lite.
Unless you slide me your entire stems from front to back in wav. Format of each sound in a zip file if you like.

I think my vid is ok but the new one l will make will be much better. Its something to work with.

Levulz2it wrote:That post was obviously before I watched danocs video. Brooo...i definitely don't mix like that lol and its obvious. Im going to mix the 281 battle and see what I come up with.

Also danoc, I couldn't do that anyway. I have reason lite and if you save it in the full version I won't be able to open it. Appreciate you saying yes tho!

Oh you don't have to explain to me about PT. I ditched that crap in 2012, I can't stand Avid. It locked me out of my computer for like a month back then, I had Reason and it wouldn't let me use it. I had the PTLe version. That's why Reason and Studio One are my favorite DAWs. Studio One is better than PT. The things that ish can do is crazy!

So are you going to get the full version of Reason? I love it, especially that SSL9000K emulation board. Ahhhhh it's a dream! Plus the other things, to numerous to mention Basically Reason saved my life when I got rid of Protools& the MPC2000XL.

You can definitely tackle your drums in Reason and do some Pro work in it. I do it all the time.

Levulz2it wrote:Yeah it came with my keystation. Also got ableton lite and pro tools lite but the pro tools crashes constantly and take like 8 mins to load. Its not my pc either, I got 64gb ram, new ryzen cpu etc.

The limitations of the "lite" versions is the same on all of them. Maximum of 8 tracks per file. Which sucks, but you can work around it. Like I used kong and just routed each pad to an out and created a separate bus for each so you can mix all the pads individually. Technically its one track because the midi is recorded on one instance of kong in the sequencer but it takes up 16 spots in the mixer if that makes sense.

I do have the stems, as I did the track in the mpc then mixdown each sequence into stems. Then I can arrange in reason where for instance the kicks from all my sequences can be on the same track. Like seq1,seq2 etc. That way I can mix the kicks, snares, hats, etc from the whole song together.

Levulz2it wrote:That post was obviously before I watched danocs video. Brooo...i definitely don't mix like that lol and its obvious. Im going to mix the 281 battle and see what I come up with.

Also danoc, I couldn't do that anyway. I have reason lite and if you save it in the full version I won't be able to open it. Appreciate you saying yes tho!

[/quote]

i just made a video instead of exporting,soundcloud,etc. i think it sounds way better than what i uploaded to soundcloud.

Danoc wrote:Oh you don't have to explain to me about PT. I ditched that **** in 2012, I can't stand Avid. It locked me out of my computer for like a month back then, I had Reason and it wouldn't let me use it. I had the PTLe version. That's why Reason and Studio One are my favorite DAWs. Studio One is better than PT. The things that ish can do is crazy!

So are you going to get the full version of Reason? I love it, especially that SSL9000K emulation board. Ahhhhh it's a dream! Plus the other things, to numerous to mention Basically Reason saved my life when I got rid of Protools& the MPC2000XL.

You can definitely tackle your drums in Reason and do some Pro work in it. I do it all the time.

Yeah sounds better. SC does something when you use them.

Age old question how does one get their drums to sound great?