[b]Harder Drum Sounds[/b]

No, the thing I noticed is no one here understands how recording works in the first place. I understand tweaking a compressor to adjust the attack and release (two things which your MPC can already do)....but these are all subtle things that wont make a shitt kick better or harder, more can be done with simply adjusting the volume or EQing and sampling a nice kick in the first place (which has most likely been compressed already). Bottom line compression should be left to either an engineer and the mixdown process and a harder snare or bass drum is not always what the beat needs.

The attack and decay on a compressor is very different than the Attack and decay on the mpc.

You obviously don't understand compression and have decided to leave it to more skilled hands. A wise move, but you could go a bit deeper and get a very useful tool out of it.

elmacaco wrote:The attack and decay on a compressor is very different than the Attack and decay on the mpc.

No shiiiiit.

elmacaco wrote:The attack and decay on a compressor is very different than the Attack and decay on the mpc.

You obviously don't understand compression and have decided to leave it to more skilled hands. A wise move, but you could go a bit deeper and get a very useful tool out of it.

I havent seen one clear cut reason given how a compressor can be used to make your drums sound better....i think this board doesnt understand compressors. Like I said - and I'm thie only one that said it, a compressor should only be used in the sampling chain to gate out the noise and bring the peak of thew sound you want to the forefrunt for that oner second you want to sample. Another use I could see is running different sampled drums inot one compressor to unify them (this wont even work digitally in Pro Tools, etc)....but you idiots act like your recording a live drummer and need compressors on every mixing channel....all youll do using a compressor on sampled drums is sterlize your entire mix by the final mix.

roley101 wrote:

elmacaco wrote:The attack and decay on a compressor is very different than the Attack and decay on the mpc.

You obviously don't understand compression and have decided to leave it to more skilled hands. A wise move, but you could go a bit deeper and get a very useful tool out of it.

I havent seen one clear cut reason given how a compressor can be used to make your drums sound better....i think this board doesnt understand compressors. Like I said - and I'm thie only one that said it, a compressor should only be used in the sampling chain to gate out the noise and bring the peak of thew sound you want to the forefrunt for that oner second you want to sample. Another use I could see is running different sampled drums inot one compressor to unify them (this wont even work digitally in Pro Tools, etc)....but you idiots act like your recording a live drummer and need compressors on every mixing channel....all youll do using a compressor on sampled drums is sterlize your entire mix by the final mix.

if you do not know how to use a compressor to thicken a kick, i think you have uSed it too much to thinken your head, why compare the attack and releae times on the mpc, to a compressor if you know they are different, DUH??? and this tennis ball effect, i think you have been masturbating too much and your going deaf. the reason why it sounds like a tennis ball is because the attack time is set too short, so the whole transient of the wave does not pass through,

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ever heard about sidechaining. ducking, frequency response side chaining, creating pumping,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DO NOT COME ONTO THESE FORUMS, MISGUIDING AND MISS INFORMING OTHER CATS ABOUT THE USE OF GEAR.

I CAN UNDERSTAND IF SOME ONE MAKES A MISTAKE, NO ONE IS PERFECT, IT HAPPENS , WE COME HERE TO LEARN, NO ONE PERSON CAN KNOW EVERYTHING, AND ONE MAY HAVE BEEN SCHOOLED BAD FROM THE START, hence one purpose of the forums.



BUT TO COME ON HERE, AND BE WRONG, AND STRONG AND IGNORANT WITH AN ATTITUDE IS JUST BLOODY REDICULOUS.

TAKE HEED...

Why dont you explain this "creating pumping" effect instead of name calling.

By the way I listened to that beat you posted in the 60 section, I am supposed to take advice from you, your drums sound lifeless and stale. No motion or pumping what so ever. You should worry less about sidechaining and more about making good music.

pummping is more noticable in bass orineted side of the music, this is here you have a very fast attack time and release time set on the compressor, so as the compressor strts to work,(via the attack settings) it also strts to release , also known as breathing, Greg as described this in posts not so long ago, where you can have this going to the music, it is noticable in danchall. this is really an artifact, but used creatively , also sparingly

yikes man, what up with the attitude? You can't front, you said your mpc can already do the attack / decay thing, and you were wrong, dead wrong.

Pumping is something I try to avoid with compressors. But 99.9% of all released albums have compression on the drums, not just in the sampling. So... your point is?

elmacaco wrote:yikes man, what up with the attitude? You can't front, you said your mpc can already do the attack / decay thing, and you were wrong, dead wrong.

Trust, I know the MPC is not a compressor, what I WAS TRYING TO SAY is the effect people want from a compressor on their drums, this pumping, can be achieved, by playing with the attack/decay and velocity levels on the MPC, whcih brings it back to my original piont, all you need is a dope sample and some skills on the MPC not a million compressors, thats all I was saying, folks are too quick to jump down someones throat around these parts just cause he got a low post count, yall are worse than internet rock musicians.

listen dude this aint got nothing to do with posts count, its not quantity its quality.

as for this idea you have aout pumping with an mpc, your still way off track like a derailed train, to get this effect you usually compress the whole track, so evrythig moves collectively.




and fuuuuuurther more, attack and release times on the mpc, cannot create the same effect, there are twodifferent things chalk and cheese. and a dope sample has nothing to do with this. *sigh*

Man you dont know how to use the MPC....that much is obvious from listening to your tracks.

As far as your "pumping" look at my above post where I mention sidechaining your drum sounds to a copmpressor to unify them, read in between the lines. You cats catch emotions to easily....

And a dope sample has everything to do with this, if you sample a nice kick with a long decay then set the kick to 16 levels/decay and then filter, leaving velocity full to OFF, you can create motion in your drum tracks than give the same effect as playing with a compressor, buts its obvious you havent tried or even thought about this.

I think we're pretty much done with this tread. Some guy asked a question about his Avalon, and he got helped out.

@ roley101: To each his own. If you refuse to use a compressor because you think you can get a similar effect by using the mpc, good for you.
I'm not even going to prove you wrong, what's the point?

I have a compressor (3 in fact, 2 software, and one RNC), I just think young cats need to know its not necessary. Trying to save em some money at this point in the game - get you some dope samples and learn the MPC.

But I feel you, I dont know how I got dragged into this.

Nah holmes. The thing about a compressor adding punch is you can have the attack transient peek through and then have the rest of the drum sample come way down, like a switch, the MPC can only add a decay, which does add punch, but not like a compressor can.

What compressor are you using to make these judgements? even cheap DBX's can have this effect, but it is a hit or miss kinda thing if you don't know what you are going for.

This is so elusive. Yeah you can compress and eq, which I do alot of.
Then my homie brings these rediculously hard drums every time, and he has no secret, except his selection of sounds. I told him, 'you really get a good sound with stereo compression on your tracks'. He says his compressor broke over a year ago. Jokes on me, it's just the sounds mang. With compression and EQ, you can either make a banging sound out of nothing, or really ruin a plain old dope drum sample. If it sounds good, it probably is.