subs,sub BASS samples,all the info i can get on Sub-Bass

one thing i have no understanding about is sub bass, how i can include it into my patterns,what kinds of diffrent sub basses are there,how to get a good sub hit or bump, how should i tweek the sub bass to get a better bass hit, should i use eq's,reverbs with subs,should i mess around with the pitch,to try to get a higher sub frequency or lower frequncy,if i do use a lot of bass should i consider not using my kick drums alot sice they might somewhat cancel each outher out,(that tends to happen when i mix kick drums and sub bass together in the same song, the kick drum and the sub bass,both sound weak when they are mixed together in to the same song....either the sub sounds weak or the kick drum sounds weak,usually both....i would love everybodys ideas on these questions,pretty much anybody that has informatin or ideas from their own experiences on sub bass i would love to hear from,because when it comes to using bass,i really dont have a clue.....pretty much anything and everything that has to do with sub bass,ideas, personal experiences with this issue...............my final problem i also have with subbass is that i only have 2 or 3 samples of bass, so i cant really experiment, one issue i have is that i dont know where to get sub-bass samples from....can any one give me a couple good links to where i can buy sub bass samples(i would love to be able to buy a complete sub sampling cd from akai or any company that has professionally retail sub samples....any stores in maryland or internet links that i could go buy from........thank you

Sub bass usually consists of a single sine wave. I usually reinforce my regular basslines with a subbass, just make sure to use a lowpass on the subbass and a highpass on the other bass patch. As for kicks, I tend to cut out everything below 30hz, thus leaving some space for a nice subby bassline.

Oh, and ALWAYS compress you basslines to make 'em less "flabby".

There's a dope sub-bass sample on the Toasted Marshmellow Breaks from DirtStyle (sounds like the one from Dead Prez's song 'Hip Hop') . And most of thier other break records have a little section w/ bass & drum hits too .

Sub bass usually consists of a single sine wave.

A great way to get a nice sub bass sine is from a sample of an 808 kick. The waveform is a perfect sine & can be easily sustain looped.

what exactly is a sine wave,which type of software or hardware do u use to get a sine wave or is that even possible.

there are four diffrent waveforms:sinewave with a clean sound like a flute,sawtooth like some brasssound ,squarewave:hollow sound like a clairnet and trianglewave same like a sine with a brighter sound...

Sub bass can be any very low bass sound. Anything that has some bass in can be filtered so that only the sub remains. The 'purest' bass sound is a sine wave - a sine is a mathematical formula that describes a sound that consists of only one fundamental frequency with no harmonics. FM synths like the DX7 are good at generating sine waves, but you can get a good sine wave sub out of an analog synth if it has a self-oscillating resonant filter. The 808 sub is close to a sine wave, but not as mathematically perfect, which makes it more interesting than a digitally generated one.

It is a good idea to have your kick and bass occupy different parts of the frequency spectrum. Tune your kick drum until it sounds good together with the bass.

If you want to get some good bass sounds, borrow someones analog synth and sample the hell out of it. Run some harmonically rich, heavy sounds through a steep (24db/oct) analog filter and sample that. Loop an 808 bass and maybe chop off some of the attack. Take a few clean tom samples and pitch them down an octave, filter them if neccesary. Layer different bass sounds in the way digital_bastard explained.

digi is right and you can make sub basses with sound forge or an old akai like an s2000 if you have them- dead easy...

greg

I generate a 1khz sinewave in sound forge, then take the pitch down to where I need it to be. Cut/Chop to what I need and import into my 2kxl.