NearTao wrote:Sampling Drum Tips. An older but still good thread... you can find a ton of similar on this site alone.
High Level...
Get a pattern book - PDF is free here: Pocket Operations. It's geared towards PO-33 and OP-1, but the patterns obviously work anywhere...
Learn how to change up or tweak your patterns.
Make a core pattern like you have been, but then turn of timing correct and lay down hats.
Vary your kick, snare, hat, toms, etc... don't use just one sample... try round robin... layer your drums... etc...
Panning will allow you to give more space in your tracks. Try panning elements left/right... heck play two different snares at the same time and pan one left and one right...
Filtering can give you movement by just doing LP or HP sweeps for a bar or two...
Scrawny wrote:
It's really my bad, I should've typed a bit more on the post.
I'm not asking about sampling the actual sounds. I'm pretty satisfied with the results I'm getting there. I always layer, sometimes the same and sometimes different sounds.
When I finish the beat I do what I can with mixing in the mp, experimenting with more extreme panning on the beats that call for it. I'm not sure if I can do sweeps inside the MPC neither. I only use timing on the snare to get it in place as a grid to do the rest of the drums... Metronome is always choked out by the drums.
I will check out the pattern book but I think I want to understand some theory behind the actual patterns. Not learn "boom bap boomboom boom bap" but learn about why boom and why bap
I read some stuff on weak and strong beats. That fueled some new stuff for me so I'm wanting some more like that.
Thanks.
Scrawny wrote:I read some stuff on weak and strong beats. That fueled some new stuff for me so I'm wanting some more like that.
Thanks.
NearTao wrote:Scrawny wrote:I read some stuff on weak and strong beats. That fueled some new stuff for me so I'm wanting some more like that.
Thanks.
Still not exactly sure what you're looking for... but maybe something more like the history and use of drums in music?
Drum Sounds and Their Meanings
Scrawny wrote:For example, how do I learn where to put crashes and open hats? Apart from hearing how they've been used in other songs.
NearTao wrote:Scrawny wrote:For example, how do I learn where to put crashes and open hats? Apart from hearing how they've been used in other songs.
This response is in no way trying to be difficult... but you're kind of at an awkward philosophical crossroads with that question and statement, and nobody is going to be able to tell you what to do.
For genres of music... you put drums in different positions because those are the 'rules'. In general you can learn the 'rules' by listening to genres of music, checking out beat patterns as posted above, etc...
New genres and styles of music, different cultures, perception of what is and is not an up beat or down beat... it can all become very personal, and what is pushing the boundary for one person is completely obvious for somebody else. Why is boots n' cats so effective... why not just have n' n' cats boots? What happens when you take a pattern and swap snares, claps, and kicks, or change the time signatures for all of those parts...
There's literally a limitless amount of things you *could* do... and this is where you just need to experiment and try things and push yourself. Or if you're looking to fit within a specific genre do some research with streams, pattern books, whatever... but it's totally worth taking the time to break it down and think "why did this person put it together this way?"
Lampdog wrote:Learn by doing and feeling.
NearTao wrote:stream... meant like... go listen to a music streaming service like Spotify or Apple Music... or whatever the cool kids listen to these days. Could do a record, tape, radio, or whatever floats your boat though
If you focus on the outcome you want, I think we can get you a better answer
steaming yeah I don't know what I was thinking of. Thanks. 
