Has this ever happened to anyone???

i was taking a listen to nas street disciple. being a nas fan, i was listening to it all the way through. this is where i get pretty pissed...

a few months ago (may), there was a beat battle run by Shaman work. This tournament was sample themed: 1st round: bob james; 2nd round: jimi hendrix; 3rd round: the doors; 4th round: james brown.

Now, I found a cd, in may, called "James Brown's Funky Divas". It had the women that worked with james brown singing some of his songs, and other songs.

This is where i found a song by lyn collins entitled "Take Me, Just As I Am".
I had a field day with the sample, and killed it. I just knew i was gonna win the tournament. I was letting everyone i knew (even some people i didnt know) hear the beat.

Long story shorter, the battle was cancelled, and my beat didnt see the light of day.

Now, back to street disciple. "Sekou's Story"...sound familiar? The 2nd part of the song has the exact same sample as the one i used, just 1 or 2 different synths.

The original song had NEVER been thought to be sampled...yet when i decide to do so, someone else makes a beat off of it and its on a major album.

Is it just me, or has this happened and pissed off other people, too??????

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This happens to everyone.... the worst is when you have actually recorded a track to the beat, but a bigger artist uses it first, then you can't release your version..... but yeah, this happens a lot, that's why people stay away from bigger name artists, everyone uses thier records.

....or you gotta chop sh!t and re-arrange it in your own way (instead of just looping stuff, or sampling big chunks of records), so that it doesn't matter if someone used the same record - they won't sound the same.

Everybody on this site whos been here for a minute I'm sure remembers that assanine dude that was ridin me about usin a sample that Masta Ace used on his last album... And the beef that started... It happens to everyone though on the real... Ain't nothin to sweat... It's frustrating, but it just causes you to have to dig even further...

yeah i made a beat off of that sample, in like july, but didn't even promote the beat beacuse i heard that jean grae used the sample on the bootleg of bootleg albums, that also happened to me with the ojay who am i sample, that the diplomats used, i was heated

Yes, the same thing has happened to me with old disco records I've sampled for house tracks.

If you are going to be sampling off an old record there is no way you can guarantee that at least one other person somewhere on this planet has not sampled the same thing. Even if it some old 45 from 1969 that only 200 copies were pressed up. There is still a possibility that the other 199 copies have all been found by diggers who produce.

The Lyn Collins track that issues talks about at the start of this thread is a pretty well known record. I remember two volumes of "James Brown's Funky People" compilations coming out back in around '85, plus a vinyl re-issue of her original album. That is 20 years ago for re-issues of things that were being dug for back then so a lot of people have that track, whether they have sampled it or not.

I also think that a lot of sample music works because of the familiarity of the loop, not the obscurity.

YO Issues.......................

Truth B Told It Happends alot more than U Can Imagine..................
Saddly...Usher is Mad at of all People J-LO for usin that Played out
(James Brown-SOUL POWER 74) Forher new EXTRA Horn Heavy Joint..
(I'm Gonna Be Alright") ..................


And even "Jus Blaze" Caught Beef with "Black Moon" and both tracks got released like maybe only 1 week apart.

What ICHY Said was SPOT on Chop That Joint........Chop That Joint......

Especially the James Brown, Parliment, Earth Wind and Fire and U know the Rest.

these Records have thounds of appearences on Bootlegs, Compilations, CD and ReIssues LOL and I Haven't even talked about MP3z or the Original..........................................

ToDay we Have ACID, RECYCLE, REASON, Fruityloops, Garageband and the LIKE

IN Outro I Say this CHOP THEM JOINTZ ........ONE Day In FATBEATS Me and EVIL Dee Himself Was Buildin' on that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that shit happens to everyone all the time, but the worst is when you find out from another person: "yo that sounds like so and so's beat." and you like huhh? and you go and check it out and you like diggity-damn, this makin' my beat look corny now.

yeah they right tho, gotta chop them shits up. but even then, you have to do something different, add some instruments or a different sample. gotta think different give it a completely new feel, especially if the sample was already used for another beat.

That's the shit

Don't care if anybody used it, just make your shit; if it aint equal ( or better...lol) than the guys who used it before you; just dont use it!
AHAHAH

itchyvinyl wrote:....or you gotta chop sh!t and re-arrange it in your own way (instead of just looping stuff, or sampling big chunks of records), so that it doesn't matter if someone used the same record - they won't sound the same.

Thats so true.

mpc4000xl wrote:YO Issues.......................

And even "Jus Blaze" Caught Beef with "Black Moon" and both tracks got released like maybe only 1 week apart.

Nah Black Moon was pissed cause Just Blaze used the same sample for "PSA" as they did for the original "I Gotcha Opin".

DBA wrote:

mpc4000xl wrote:YO Issues.......................

And even "Jus Blaze" Caught Beef with "Black Moon" and both tracks got released like maybe only 1 week apart.

Nah Black Moon was pissed cause Just Blaze used the same sample for "PSA" as they did for the original "I Gotcha Opin".

TRUE Indeed BUt There Was Another Track That Jus Blaze did that I'm talkin' bout.......................

i did chop it up. i'll upload the beat in the next few days, so you'll hear what i'm talkin about.

peace
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you have to keep at that beat and keep saveing it and keep saving it

Nuthin' you can do about it dawg. you want credits? for finding that sample and the way you rearranged it? We all want to get credit for the work we do.. i say live with it