By napwraps
Wed Jun 02, 2021 1:54 pm
Is there a way to audition the whole song/sample in browser? I’ve tried to change it in the preferences but it stops at 30 secs? Is there a way around this?
By MPC-Tutor
Wed Jun 02, 2021 2:39 pm
30 second limit in standalone. 'Unlimited' option in the MPC Software. I'm going to assume this is related to memory limitations, as playing an entire song will require thre whole song is loaded into active memory (disk streaming not currently supported).
By DokBrown
Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:49 pm
MPC-Tutor wrote:30 second limit in standalone. 'Unlimited' option in the MPC Software. I'm going to assume this is related to memory limitations, as playing an entire song will require thre whole song is loaded into active memory (disk streaming not currently supported).
I’m not complaining [I don’t need it] BUT
Disk streaming seems to consistently come up on the MPC WISH LIST . . . . . . . . .
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By 83dude
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:43 pm
DokBrown wrote:Disk streaming seems to consistently come up on the MPC WISH LIST . . . . . . . . .
Not much one can do about it.
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By napwraps
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:39 am
thanks for the reply guys..
i agree would have been tight to stream whole song/sample, as often the magic happens in the middle or end of a song, and would have made browsing a breeze.
i agree would have been tight to stream whole song/sample, as often the magic happens in the middle or end of a song, and would have made browsing a breeze.
By JohnClodVanDarn
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:51 am
Then you'd probably need dynamic transport controls otherwise you'd have to sit there and listen for six minutes to figure out whether or not you'd picked the right file.
By Ultros
Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:12 am
What is with you people and "disk streaming". Your idea of using a hdd or sdd as ram is an old term called "disk thrashing" and its a terrible idea! Your read buffer skipping here and there address-wise. No disk in the history of magnetically marked disks (from mechanical spinning disk drives to sd card) enjoys being thrashed and are destined to die.
If you thrash a mechanical disk the actuator and read head eventually die. If you thrash an SD card constantly it will corrupt it and destroy the card in RECORD TIME
I/O (input/output) is also done by processor so you'll be taking an epic hit on performance by opening a zillion file descriptors or doing it low-level and constantly reading / writing. even if done in a managable way the processor still has to deal with it and i/o to disk is not nearly as quick as i/o to ram.
Beg akai for a unit with more ram cus we arent ever going to get a "ram upgrade" unless you own a really special lab and some very expensive tools and have extensive know how on removing / soldering back in ram chips to SoC's. You cant get much more from the mpc horsepower wise.
Akai has already done it the right way.
If you thrash a mechanical disk the actuator and read head eventually die. If you thrash an SD card constantly it will corrupt it and destroy the card in RECORD TIME
I/O (input/output) is also done by processor so you'll be taking an epic hit on performance by opening a zillion file descriptors or doing it low-level and constantly reading / writing. even if done in a managable way the processor still has to deal with it and i/o to disk is not nearly as quick as i/o to ram.
Beg akai for a unit with more ram cus we arent ever going to get a "ram upgrade" unless you own a really special lab and some very expensive tools and have extensive know how on removing / soldering back in ram chips to SoC's. You cant get much more from the mpc horsepower wise.
Akai has already done it the right way.
Ego te absolvo.
By NearTao
Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:52 pm
While I get your points, I also disagree with some of your conclusions. I've been using disk streaming in similar systems for about 20 years on systems that are much lower spec'd than the current MPC line. Heck, the Boss SP 303 operates in this way with anemic CPU and Ram, and is actually the only way to play a sample, from either streaming from internal flash or from smart media. As for other examples, Ableton Live and Native Instruments Kontakt both have very robust disk streaming to allow people to use samples and sounds far above their ram, and we're talking about people who have 16gb, 32gb, or more memory.
Perhaps there is a difference for how people are thinking about disk streaming though. From my perspective what I would want (if I cared) for disk streaming was the ability to play an arbitrarily long track recorded to disk. Whether this was a single stereo track, two stereo tracks, or eight stereo tracks, I don't really care, but this would open up more possibilities for the MPC to operate as a multitrack recorder. For me, the audio tracks as they exist are close enough, but you can very easily use up all of your memory, and the arbitrary length for them does force some awkward workflows for some uses. The biggest use I'd consider for disk streaming would be for using resampling/freezing to commit a track, and free up CPU/RAM resources. I suspect that others are looking for the same.
Personally I doubt I'd use disk streaming much if it existed, but I can see it as a value for other users.
Perhaps there is a difference for how people are thinking about disk streaming though. From my perspective what I would want (if I cared) for disk streaming was the ability to play an arbitrarily long track recorded to disk. Whether this was a single stereo track, two stereo tracks, or eight stereo tracks, I don't really care, but this would open up more possibilities for the MPC to operate as a multitrack recorder. For me, the audio tracks as they exist are close enough, but you can very easily use up all of your memory, and the arbitrary length for them does force some awkward workflows for some uses. The biggest use I'd consider for disk streaming would be for using resampling/freezing to commit a track, and free up CPU/RAM resources. I suspect that others are looking for the same.
Personally I doubt I'd use disk streaming much if it existed, but I can see it as a value for other users.
By Lampdog
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:42 pm
NearTao wrote:Personally I doubt I'd use disk streaming much if it existed, but I can see it as a value for other users.
This is my stance also.
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By Ultros
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:53 pm
Sometimes I get pretty stoned and think up crazy shit too though so there is that.
Ego te absolvo.
By DokBrown
Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm
Ultros wrote:What is with you people and "disk streaming". Your idea of using a hdd or sdd as ram is an old term called "disk thrashing" and its a terrible idea! Your read buffer skipping here and there address-wise. No disk in the history of magnetically marked disks (from mechanical spinning disk drives to sd card) enjoys being thrashed and are destined to die.
If you thrash a mechanical disk the actuator and read head eventually die. If you thrash an SD card constantly it will corrupt it and destroy the card in RECORD TIME
I/O (input/output) is also done by processor so you'll be taking an epic hit on performance by opening a zillion file descriptors or doing it low-level and constantly reading / writing. even if done in a managable way the processor still has to deal with it and i/o to disk is not nearly as quick as i/o to ram.
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I dig GROOVEBOXES & essential hardware.
Catch me in LA, DC/BALTIMORE, south FLORIDA somewhere in my beach chair . . . . . . .
Catch me in LA, DC/BALTIMORE, south FLORIDA somewhere in my beach chair . . . . . . .
By Quickstrike2.0
Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:05 am
It's most likely a bug. You can load up firmware 2.1. change it to unlimited. then load back 2.9.1 just do not change the sample time. And it will play the entire song length. Unlimited. Just remember don't change the sample time after the load of the old firmware and you're good to go.
By MPC-Tutor
Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:30 am
Quickstrike2.0 wrote:It's most likely a bug. You can load up firmware 2.1. change it to unlimited. then load back 2.9.1 just do not change the sample time. And it will play the entire song length. Unlimited. Just remember don't change the sample time after the load of the old firmware and you're good to go.
Does that legacy setting stick after shutting down or after changing other preferences? In a Mac or Windows, the preferences file is completely re-generated each time you close down the app, regardless of whether you make any changes, so any workaround like that would only work for one session.
By Quickstrike2.0
Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:35 pm
napwraps wrote:Is there a way to audition the whole song/sample in browser? I’ve tried to change it in the preferences but it stops at 30 secs? Is there a way around this?
Did you try the technique I mentioned in this form.
Has anyone tried it as of yet??? It absolutely the best work around for me.