Akai Force Forum: Everything relating to the Akai Force, the iconic 64 pad, clip-based standalone sampler/groovebox from Akai.
By revd Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:39 am
Looking for a mic to plug into the Force. I’m not a singer, more wanting to get some vocal sounds into my tracks, that I can effect (looking forward to the update with vocal fx etc). So I don’t need anything too flashy, but also want to make sure the quality is good enough. What do people use?
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By garikfox Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:29 pm
Hello, I'm new too all this still but I just purchased a Zoom H1n and a Mic stand.

The H1n is a Stereo Mic and all you do is literally turn it on, plug in the Line-Out/Headphone jack to the Force Line-In and that's it. Sounds pretty good. Designed in Japan.

H1n
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PTM82R/

Cable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084O7FPM/

Accessory pack
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PXPR7Q/

Mic Stand
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NFS9MJX/
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By Koekepan Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:45 pm
Depending on how broke you are, and what your feelings are on mono/stereo and dynamic mics, Behringer has some pretty solid options for under $40. You say you're not a singer, so I'm going to guess that getting the ultimate nuances out of your operatic performance isn't the mission.

If the next Force update includes the kind of vocal effects that the latest for the MPC line gave us, you could turn your voice upside-down, inside-out and make it sound like a choir in a cathedral, even if you started on a Behringer dynamic mic.
By revd Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:37 pm
Thanks! Zoom have a good rep so think this would be a good choice

garikfox wrote:Hello, I'm new too all this still but I just purchased a Zoom H1n and a Mic stand.

The H1n is a Stereo Mic and all you do is literally turn it on, plug in the Line-Out/Headphone jack to the Force Line-In and that's it. Sounds pretty good. Designed in Japan.

H1n
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PTM82R/

Cable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0084O7FPM/

Accessory pack
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078PXPR7Q/

Mic Stand
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NFS9MJX/
By revd Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:37 pm
Yes exactly that - but maybe not auto-tune :-) I'll take a look thanks!

Koekepan wrote:Depending on how broke you are, and what your feelings are on mono/stereo and dynamic mics, Behringer has some pretty solid options for under $40. You say you're not a singer, so I'm going to guess that getting the ultimate nuances out of your operatic performance isn't the mission.

If the next Force update includes the kind of vocal effects that the latest for the MPC line gave us, you could turn your voice upside-down, inside-out and make it sound like a choir in a cathedral, even if you started on a Behringer dynamic mic.
By DokBrown Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:00 pm
If you plan on adding a lot of DJ FX, then an expensive mic is not necessary. I still suggest you get a “vocal mic.” Most of these are condenser mics, I also suggest a used quality mixer with phantom power instead of running it directly into your force. The mixer helps with other things outside of just vocals – processing drums in particular.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/vocal-mics


https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-bes ... -and-stage

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/best- ... crophones/
By revd Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:37 pm
thanks for this - will take a deeper look. I wasn't planning on getting a mixer just yet (though have my eye on that Tascam model 12), and only have limited needs so might bag a cheap behringer for now, and regret later :-)

DokBrown wrote:If you plan on adding a lot of DJ FX, then an expensive mic is not necessary. I still suggest you get a “vocal mic.” Most of these are condenser mics, I also suggest a used quality mixer with phantom power instead of running it directly into your force. The mixer helps with other things outside of just vocals – processing drums in particular.

https://www.soundonsound.com/techniques/vocal-mics


https://www.musicradar.com/news/the-bes ... -and-stage

https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/best- ... crophones/
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By Koekepan Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:44 am
OK, given what you mention, I think that this turns into a broader discussion.

If you were thinking of the Tascam model 12, and you aren't an experienced microphone user, here's what I'd propose you do:

Get a Behringer mic first. They're cheap, but they work (they're basically modern clones of classic, widely-used microphones), and they will give you an opportunity to practice your skills. Remember that dynamic microphones produce low signal levels, compared to line-in synths, but don't need phantom power. Diaphragm mics generally want phantom power (but may have their own power supplies or batteries, depending) which would mean that you'd turn on the phantom power when plugging them into your Force.

The Force is a perfectly acceptable place to plug in your mic, by the way. Yes, mixers give more options but don't forget that the Force includes a perfectly competent virtual mixer.

Now, on to the Tascam 12 topic.

If you want it as a mixer, that is cool, but the golden rule of mixers is to get more channels than you think you'll need because running out of channels sucks.

If you want it as a recorder, that is perfectly good too but you may find that it makes more sense to look at Tascam's portastudios for the purpose because they offer real mixing options as well as simply slamming in a number of channels. It's kind of old school in some ways, but it's more powerful than you might think. The Model 12's big brothers also bring joy to a party, but don't do the same complex multitrack recorder things that the portastudios do. (And I mean it about the power of the portastudio line. I can grab mine, a bag full of cables, and go to record a band and then, while the band has a couple of beers, produce a rough mix for them. Once you learn the ropes, it's a surprisingly useful way of laying down tracks.)

Alternatively, if you want to get active on the computer (although you make no mention of this) you may be better off with a decent USB audio interface, with a reasonable number of channels in and then use your computer as your recorder, mixing and mastering tool.
By revd Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:22 pm
thanks for the detailed response! much appreciated. lots to think about, but i think for now a cheap behringer will do the trick, and its not a lot of outlay. I was looking one with phantom power - eg

C-3 https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000CZ0RLK/?https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000KUA8EI/?coliid=I2X4MCNLBTYJ2D&colid=338EY41X4E3EC&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


or cheaper version

C-1 https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000CZ0RLK/?coliid=I3HS2ROIPSWXK3&colid=338EY41X4E3EC&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it


Koekepan wrote:OK, given what you mention, I think that this turns into a broader discussion.

If you were thinking of the Tascam model 12, and you aren't an experienced microphone user, here's what I'd propose you do:

Get a Behringer mic first. They're cheap, but they work (they're basically modern clones of classic, widely-used microphones), and they will give you an opportunity to practice your skills. Remember that dynamic microphones produce low signal levels, compared to line-in synths, but don't need phantom power. Diaphragm mics generally want phantom power (but may have their own power supplies or batteries, depending) which would mean that you'd turn on the phantom power when plugging them into your Force.

The Force is a perfectly acceptable place to plug in your mic, by the way. Yes, mixers give more options but don't forget that the Force includes a perfectly competent virtual mixer.

Now, on to the Tascam 12 topic.

If you want it as a mixer, that is cool, but the golden rule of mixers is to get more channels than you think you'll need because running out of channels sucks.

If you want it as a recorder, that is perfectly good too but you may find that it makes more sense to look at Tascam's portastudios for the purpose because they offer real mixing options as well as simply slamming in a number of channels. It's kind of old school in some ways, but it's more powerful than you might think. The Model 12's big brothers also bring joy to a party, but don't do the same complex multitrack recorder things that the portastudios do. (And I mean it about the power of the portastudio line. I can grab mine, a bag full of cables, and go to record a band and then, while the band has a couple of beers, produce a rough mix for them. Once you learn the ropes, it's a surprisingly useful way of laying down tracks.)

Alternatively, if you want to get active on the computer (although you make no mention of this) you may be better off with a decent USB audio interface, with a reasonable number of channels in and then use your computer as your recorder, mixing and mastering tool.