Change plugin preset in clips

Hi everyone,
When using Force in a live set where multiple tracks are layered on the same project, would be very helpful to have the possibility to change the internal plugin instruments presets in the same track when launching a new clip.
With an external midi instrument it’s possible by sending program change messages but what about the internal plugin instruments? Is there any way/trick to do it or it’s still necessary to create a new track with the same instrument but different preset?
What’s your idea about this point?

Pretty much all the parameters are automatable, so you could in principle retweak your synth to match a different preset. I'm not aware of any simple equivalent of a preset change (but that doesn't mean that there isn't one).

Thanks for the encouragement… But does anyone know how to change a plugin instrument preset in the same track but different clip in practice?

Ton618 wrote:Thanks for the encouragement… But does anyone know how to change a plugin instrument preset in the same track but different clip in practice?

It's not possible, currently. Really wish preset changing could be automated though - that would solve a lot of problems.

EnochLight wrote:

Ton618 wrote:Thanks for the encouragement… But does anyone know how to change a plugin instrument preset in the same track but different clip in practice?

It's not possible, currently. Really wish preset changing could be automated though - that would solve a lot of problems.

+1 the MPC line has the exact same issue from sequence to sequence, you cannot change programs automatically, period. It works with external MIDI gear thanks to Program Changes, it doesn't work with internal synths on the Force OR the MPC. Period.

EnochLight wrote:

Ton618 wrote:Thanks for the encouragement… But does anyone know how to change a plugin instrument preset in the same track but different clip in practice?

It's not possible, currently. Really wish preset changing could be automated though - that would solve a lot of problems.

Totally agree. For production, when working on a single song it's not a big limit but when preparing a live set with multiple songs, it's quite boring since 8 is the maximum plugin tracks allowed and a single instrument/preset could be used for a single song only.
Allowing to change the preset on a single plugin instance should help to save system resources by keeping a more clear project structure...
I use the midi program change function on my AFX Station connected to the Force and it's great, the possibility to do the same for the internal instruments is a "must have" feature.
I think it's something that Akai should think seriously about for the next fw ...

I agree that it would be nice to have a single PC signal, but you could make lemonade of your lemons by having an inter-song transition stage where you progressively adapt all the patch parameters to their new values. Across something like an arpeggiated ostinato it could sound pretty wild.

This has been one of the most requested features since day one. Those of us in the Beta group ask for it constantly.

Here's you're workaround (for now). Transform your instrument into a Keytrack. Unlimited Keytracks means you can create as many instruments as the memory can handle.

I'm really surprised Program Change messages are not supported for the internal synths on the Force

I have a set that uses the Iona synth extensively with lots of different patterns - I have to ensure I have changed the preset manually currently which disrupts the flow of the set.

I'll add my vote that this would be a very very helpful improvement.

sladefx wrote:I'm really surprised Program Change messages are not supported for the internal synths on the Force

I have a set that uses the Iona synth extensively with lots of different patterns - I have to ensure I have changed the preset manually currently which disrupts the flow of the set.

I'll add my vote that this would be a very very helpful improvement.

Votes on this site don't really count. It's more impactful to send a request ticket:
https://support.akaipro.com/en/support/ ... r_feedback

This has been an obstacle for me since the day I purchased. In long sets I keep a folder in my project containing saved MIDI Programs, which I use as a bank of presets. To load these up as I perform I have to be selective about actively stopping or muting tracks to load new patches. In 3.3 this was fairly stable. In 3.5/6 this would cause crashes. Not so much now in 3.7.