By
Dr.Foo
Tue Aug 19, 2003 11:11 pm
#1 Mesh ha ha so funny you are. notheless, you just dont know what you are talking about, take your beef thinking you are funny elsewhere. you dont know me, and I dont know you so take you fakeness and "beef" elsewhere.
I dont care what you use, or how u use it. I dont buy extraneous gear, I save that $$$ for vinyl. all you fools who think you need an MPC, protools and a triton to make bangers are full of it. its called gear addiction.
Pro tool is extraneous for 95% of us. here is why:
OK Protools and CEP are 2 distinctly differnet programs. THE BBC uses CEP For ALL their audio mixing. You can search their website.
#2 Pro tools is BS and here is why. A catch 22. Anyone who is going to drop an album, a real album they intend to sell, is going to have to go into a studio with a recording engineer at some point period. if you think otherwise you are delusional, the engineer has a job cuz he has the skills and the EAR to mix (different skills 100% from recording a track, look at production credits, Produced by so and so, recorded by another guy, mixed by this dude).
The engineer will sort thru all your stuff, with efx and plug ins all to find the un-altered DRY tracks, and use your mix as a reference GUIDE (guide being the operative word here) to mix the tracks himself on whatever, PT, a console etc. This basically means all the time you spent mixing and eqing and stuff will be tossed out and the engineer will take over and re-do it himself to make sure its spot on. THus you wasted 4-5 hours mixing reference that you could have done in 45 minutes on another rig.
NOW, the Mix you made, (unless you are a pro) is NOT going to compare to the mix a pro does with the same gear (those who are that good are the 5% I was talking about that its good for them to use PT since it does save them time and $$$$, but that aint 95% of us).
So, basically all that protools work, plugins etc. is all for naught since the engineer only uses that as a guide for him to mix the tracks.
Thus, you would save the $$$ for protools by simply buying a HD recorder, such as a DPS 16 or 24 and using that, then just dumping the audio to cd and allowing the engineer to load that into protools and mix it with the pro tools rig. A savings of what? like almost a grand?
THIS IS HOW A LOT OF ARTISTS DO IT, DJ. Clue (when he was on the hard knock life tour and working out of a bus) did it this way, pete rock does it this way too, record in a DPS and then dump for mixing at the studio.
think on it, spend 3 grand on a protools rig and a pc to go with it, or buy a PHAT DPS 24 track mixer, with the same if not better sound quality then pro tools digi 001/002. The sound quality being the best should be the goal for recording at home to have a pro mix your music. Like I said, only 5% of us or so can come close to equaling what a pro can do with our tracks, so for that 5% the investment in a nice pro tools rig DOES save you tons of $$$< but only for this small %. for the rest of us , it is 3 grand down the drain cuz we gotta have the "same shoes as Michael Jordan" a status symbol is what PT is.
also the other part, say you want it to make home recording simple and sound like a pro.. nope.
NOW, if all you wanna do is home recording, your mix will not sound better just becaue digidesign's magic, super old software is doing it for you, the gear u use is not as important as how you use it. READ THE SPEC's for Cubase SX and compare it to Protools LE, it is NO CONTEST.
I have heard mixes from protools that are bunk and mixes from Cubase that rocked, its all based on the skill of the peroson mixing, which is not dependet on gear.(note that a studio will have an entirely different and MORE POWERFUL protools then you got w/ your digi 001/002, read up on it, it aint pro tools LE in the studio baybee)
AS far as the "compatability" issue with studio's, newsflash! YOu can load almost any DAW sessions into protools, and can convert and load the rest. IE all DAW that use wav's are compatible w/ pro tools. In short, you dont need protools to get a protools mix.
I think even the tutor rolls out like this, records to a DPS 12 (I think thats what he said he was on) then dumps audio from it into pro tools at a local studio for mixing (correct me if I'm wrong tutor) This is how I get down, I mix the track to a rough mix to give him an idea of how I would like it to sound, then give him the tracks in wav form and let him go to work.
. This allows you to get a protools mix, and spend that 3 grand on a nice hardware recorder and some records, a lot of records. soooo
have a status symbol that you really cant use to the full potential thus its akin to having a ferrari with 4 blown cylinders, sure its a Ferarri, but you will lose in a race to a honda civic since you cant use it to its full potential, frustrating to say the least.
in short, CEP, Cubase, Nuendo etc. are better chioces for th ehome muscian. this is the
You cats know your gear. Let it be know that the Digi 001 is officially discontinued from the production line. You can have Sam Ash or places like that order them from like misouri or some shit, but they are still about $650. That 002 controll surface is hot, but of course alot more money. You can always get a used 001 on ebay though, although if you are looking for portable, the oo2's are firewire which = laptop. Likewise, there's always ebay, for a used 001. Here's a good way to not get scammed: I asked this to dude send me a keyboard after he got half the cash, and then I inspected my product to make sure it was all good before giving up the rest of the dough. But, he was willing to take that risk as well, so the chance was 50/50 for both of us, rather than just for me. Keep in mind, you don't get a warrantee when you buy used.
