MPC 2500

What Don't U Understand read My Whole Post .................................



CD.............16bit/44.1 khz

U Don't Need more than that ...................................
That Was my Entire Point........................


U Want Ruff Samples I Do 2 For Certain Projects............

BUT U NOR I Need Higher than CD Quality at the Moment.................



YA DIG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i hear that! lets petition akai, i'm sure we can get at least 3 signatures! maybe they'll let us build our own custom mpc using all the spares they have lying around the factory including the roger linn/bob moog ultimate filter mod with 1-bit sampling at 0.0001khz

earwolf wrote:i hear that! lets petition akai, i'm sure we can get at least 3 signatures! maybe they'll let us build our own custom mpc using all the spares they have lying around the factory including the roger linn/bob moog ultimate filter mod with 1-bit sampling at 0.0001khz

NOW THAT WOULD BE A MACHINE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah man, you know, a new 12 bit machine would be cool, but it can't really do what was done in the past.

The reason they are doing 24 96 is because so many cats are using software samplers, and akai needs to give them a reason to switch to hardware or stick with it. The only way to do that is to either match what comps can do (very hard) or do what they can't.

For lofi people will always go with older gear which loses them sales.

In the recording world, 16 bit 44.1 is considered lo fi now. If they don't do something well we may not see drum samplers in production in the future.

I would love a new sampler with analog filters, but it has to compete with so much, that it is unlikly it will happen.

If the MPC 60 and the emax had a child, I would be very happy, but I can't say I would get it. I actually like having limited sample time, it makes me get creative. I have a sampler with tons of sample time and it is the one I go to last. The only things a sampler can compete with a computer on is, easy sequencing, rugged portability (computers are too expensive and not that rugged to be droppin them on the curb and losing all your shyt.)

and real time no latency fun stuff. This is why the SP 303 is popular, real time effects.

I have a few ideas for a new drum sampler, but they would be lost on most users, and there are alternatives that are cheaper and more attractive to most people, even me.

I will raise my hand, I prefer 12 bit, always. But I hope Akai gets this right because it would be so dope to keep seeing mpc's come out. They really missed the mark with the 1000 IMO, they cut to much useful stuff out of it, they need to take all the features and add more to it, kinda like what they did with the 4000, but with more elegance in the OS.

elmacaco wrote:The reason they are doing 24 96 is because so many cats are using software samplers, and akai needs to give them a reason to switch to hardware or stick with it. The only way to do that is to either match what comps can do (very hard) or do what they can't.

That's exactly where manufacturers are going wrong. Just because every DAW and softsampler can do 24/96 doesn't mean we need it on our MPCs. And most of us don't need a piano roll display either. If Akai try to compete with software by trying to do everything that software does, they will always lose. IMHO, they should focus on how an MPC differs from software. That's why I use an MPC - because it's not software. If I wanted 24/96 sampling, piano roll displays, huge screens and millions upon millions of features, I'd have stuck with logic.

I love the MPC (and SP1200) for the things it doesn't have. The MPC is in essence a very simple machine, and that makes it so fast and enjoyable to use. It's fast, easy, solid, and it sounds good. IMHO, those are the points Akai should focus on to compete in this software-dominated world. It will guarantee them a user base, just as it has for the last 20 years.

Most of the features I mentioned in my MPC2500 whishlist focus on keeping the machine solid and simple, and making it faster and more flexible. The problem is, these features don't sound sexy on paper. For press releases, they want to be able to shout 24/96! and 512mbRAM!

I'm just glad they haven't put a ROM synth in the MPC yet, like Yamaha did with the RS7000... That would truly suck.

The synth in the RS is pretty tight tho...

but yeah, not the MPC's bag. I have a drum machine dream that would probably never be manufactured, but it would be dope.

Lo Fi, we are on the same page.

"i swear akai just don't have a clue...neither does anyone else...e-mu partially caught on when they reissued the sp1200, but other than that it's been a laughable sequence of day-late-dollar-short products like rolands pitiful MC 'grooveboxes' and the mpc1000. this 2500 is going to be weedy trash just like if e-mu ever made a new sp. they simply cannot see the wood for the trees. "

People said the same thing when the SP-1200, MPC60, MPC3000, <insert the latest fad classic machine here> were released. Akai Pro was born out of putting affordable and pioneering products on the market.

"Akai should listen to us , the dedicated MPC users. "

You assuming that Akai doesn't listen to "dedicated MPC users". Just because they do not listen to "you" that they are not listening. Akai has great Beta Testers and Coders working on their products. It is just that they are busy working their job at doing just that and not wasting time posting on a bulletin board. I have read actual bug reports from real beta testers and the stuff they find makes anything anyone (including me) here write up look like sugar coating. In addition there is an extreme amount of detail that goes into the exact conditions and procedure to replicate the problem.

"CD.............16bit/44.1 khz
U Don't Need more than that"

This is probably better in a new thread, but here is my thoughts on it. I already record at the highest sample rate/ bit depth possible. I can always reduce it later. But if you are stuck at 16/44.1, you gain nothing by converting to 24/96 since it will only have the lower resolution data. Sure you may not hear much difference now, but there will be a day when you can hear a difference (or think you can) and you will wish you had recorded that killer sampler at 24/96 when you could.

You really do not want to "date" your raw samples. These are your basic building blocks of creation for years to come. In 5 years who will want to listen to something that sounds like it was recorded on antique equipment. Sure you may get by now, but why take the chance?

mpc3000 wrote:The MPC2500 is a 24/96 machine based on the hardware of the MPC1000. It will replace the MPC2000XL in the product lineup.

Look ,lo-fi ,4000xl.and the other cat.trust me guys your comments are all right ,in other words. Akai has applied that to every new product that's coming out this year and at namm 2006.Right now ! I mean Right now!
akai have reps monitoring this site like they've have always done, to get the view points on certain products from the past and present. I've talked
to reliable sources in Dallas-fortworth about future products.If you don't hear me in this. Then at least listen to MPC 3000.because you never know
who's watching or who your talking to mmhhhhhhhhh
this bizness is about makeing M_O_N_Eeehh)Y.

You've got a point on the sample rate thing 3K,

But technology has never really obsoleted an instrument, instruments are instruments, old or new. I have 25 year old machines and everyone thinks they sound like the newest thing

mpc3000 wrote:"Akai should listen to us , the dedicated MPC users. "

You assuming that Akai doesn't listen to "dedicated MPC users". Just because they do not listen to "you" that they are not listening. Akai has great Beta Testers and Coders working on their products. It is just that they are busy working their job at doing just that and not wasting time posting on a bulletin board. I have read actual bug reports from real beta testers and the stuff they find makes anything anyone (including me) here write up look like sugar coating. In addition there is an extreme amount of detail that goes into the exact conditions and procedure to replicate the problem.

First of all, I'm talking about the product design stage, not the beta-testing and troubleshooting. And I'm not saying they should listen to ME, I'm saying US, meaning ALL OF US who've used MPCs for more than a few years. I would love it if they opened a feedback page like the official Logic Pro feedback page that Apple has for Logic users. I know that a page like that won't prompt them to design my personal dream MPC, but knowing that someone's listening is great in itself. Plus for Akai it would be a great and cost-effective way to monitor user feedback from anyone who cares enough about the MPC to write some feedback about it. Just set up a page, have an intern seperate the bullsh*t from the valid comments, and robert's your father's brother. It's working for Apple, it could work for Akai.

And I'm not saying Akai got it all wrong. I love my 2000xl, and the 1000 and 4000 aren't bad machines either. But there is always room for improvement, and who would know better where that improvement could be made than the actual end users?

Lastly, I'm not too worried about any of this - I'm just trying to be constructive. I've got my MPC2000xl and SP1200 set up side by side right next to me here - I'm all set.

Oh and let's put the sample rate discussion in a seperate thread.

i hope the 2500 has got handel bars with tassels and a flame finish paint job

that would be hype

mpc3000 wrote:"

"CD.............16bit/44.1 khz
U Don't Need more than that"

This is probably better in a new thread, but here is my thoughts on it. I already record at the highest sample rate/ bit depth possible. I can always reduce it later. But if you are stuck at 16/44.1, you gain nothing by converting to 24/96 since it will only have the lower resolution data. Sure you may not hear much difference now, but there will be a day when you can hear a difference (or think you can) and you will wish you had recorded that killer sampler at 24/96 when you could.

You really do not want to "date" your raw samples. These are your basic building blocks of creation for years to come. In 5 years who will want to listen to something that sounds like it was recorded on antique equipment. Sure you may get by now, but why take the chance?

YO 3K,

MY Comment Was Based on this SURE We CAN Use SAMPLIN" at HIGHER RATES BUT the Majority of THE MPC Users OFTEN STILL USE VINYL .....


WHAT is THe Benefit of Sampling Vinyl AT 24/96 NONE U Jus' Take Up MAD DATA SPACE and Use MORE Ram ..................................

In My Earlier POST I SAID THIS" People working at 24/96 ARE Using PC n MACz with CDRW drives OR DVD- n + R Drives....................

and 3K I BURN DVDz But I STILL DON'T currently have a NEED to sample my Sounds at 24/96 ............Ya Dig Me .........Useful but NOT NEEDED........

and that's what I'm Sayin'

and we should discuss the Rates etc ..... so POST it Somebody
..........

but Lets B Realistic ............... we Lament the 32 mb RAM.... The Storage options no CD-R burnin and For me and obviously others the LACK Of at LEAST A High-Pass Filter ...... DEAL With THESE PRIMARILY PLEASE ...... PLEASE ................. 4 a HPF I aint 2 Proud 2 BEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eh, software and computers have any new MPC commin out beat...im not excited...not even a lil...

owning an MPC is more like having cool vintage gear around......like a ASR-10 or a old Fender Rhodes.

The stuff out nowadays on Mac/PC blows the good ol' beat box away.

The problem with building an MPC aimed at MPC users is that Akai would never really gain any NEW customers. They have already released the 60, the 60II, and the 3000 so why re-release them when they are already out there - FOR LESS! The MPC4000 was not aimed at old-school producers who have 2 MPC3000's or 4 MPC60's; it was made for people who like hardware, but also want power. And the MPC1000 was aimed at computer soft-sampler users who are interested in cheaper hardware.

With expensive music equipment there is a real big used market, and Akai suffers from this more than anything! If they used there limited resources to put out an MPC that modeled old machines do you really think they would sell alot of them? Most people would rather have the REAL thing, and just hit e-Bay to get a used SP1200, MPC60, or MPC3000!

MPC 2500? You guys have no idea. Do you?


Adrian
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