By Blue Haze
Wed Feb 09, 2005 5:05 pm
Blue Haze Digs again and finds a nuggets
SAMPLING SOFTWARE??????????
I have an akai mpc2000xl
i love the sequencer on this machine and use it 2 sequence all of my beat's
but the sampling window is a bit basic
i wanted to step it up and get a software program that i can precisely chop my sample's
burn cd's and sequence my sample's in the 2000xl
what are some good software program's for window's xp that will allow me to do this
any help will be appreciated
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:27 pm
Lampdog
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I use cool edit pro 2.1, sound forge 6.0 and vegas video (don't let the name fool you - it's a very powerful multitrack program). sound forge is a very powerful wave editor and can chop up samples automaticaly within parameters that you set.. good luck
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Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:08 am
SirPrize
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man, i've looking for that chopping option on sound forge for the longest. Could u give me a quick direction on how to do this, at least which option is it under? From here, can u directly transport this chopped sample, (as is) to the MPC?
Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:33 am
Blaz4me
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sample editing with Sound Forge 6.0
First things first , go into the file option and hit open. now select the folder containing your sample and hit open. Now that that's done heres what you need to do. After highlighting the portion you wish to sample/chop, hit CTRL C, (to copy the part you want) then CTRL E (to paste it on a new board). If more slicing is necessary repeat and save what you like. Note: another way to cut back on sample size is to only copy the left channel being that the right one is going to be faint anyway. That is unless you tweak it with the effects options. My bad, I almost forgot. When you 've decided on what your're going to keep go into edit screen and hit trim/crop. This will cut off the extra parts not highlighted.
Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:04 am
Lampdog
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Auto Region might be what your looking for.. (chopping)
I chop using regions. auto region and extract region is automatic once you set the parameters. Auto region makes chopping so easy it should be outlawed.. Yes, you can take the samples directly to the MPC. I do it all the time. I start with a 16bit, 44.1khz wav and it chops up the sample you choose and it saves into whatever folder you want in the same format as the original.. Look for Auto Region/Extract Region..
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Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:08 pm
SirPrize
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thx for the jewel, a whole new world is about to open, but first a few questions. Do you use the markers to set your zones up, or is there another way. i only did it one time, but it still appears easier to use the mpc. do u just zoom in to find the exact chopping points? I know you can apply fx, but do u do it b4 or after the chop?
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:25 am
Lampdog
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Auto region can find regions via a many different ways.
For example it can seperate every drums hit in phrase or loop for automaical and make seperate wave files of each drum hit for you to load into your mpc. You can easily get MANY drums hits from a 5 second sample. It is easier in sound forge to chop than you think. It is much easier than doing it on the MPC for me. I use to use markers until I learned what regions were and I never looked back after that. I don't do any effects before chopping. I process individual samples after the chop (Auto Region). IE. You can set the threshold volume of the chop to automatically give you samples that raise above a certain db. Try threshold of -30, attack 0 or (infinite) inf for drums.. You should be able to pick out some nice drums and process/color/shape afterwards..
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Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:37 am
SirPrize
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first off...i'm not slow...
i thought i did all that without markers, but it didn't slice anything. i read the tutorials, but could grab the concept. the way u explain it, it would be much easier, becuz as i understand it, auto region finds valleys and peaks according to how you set the threshold, attack etc under auto region, right? when i did this, it processed it, but nothing (to the naked eye) happened. what am i missing? BTW thx for your help and quick responses!!
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:44 am
Lampdog
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Auto Region
What I do is load the sample first.
Go to Auto Region
On the drop down menu choose "drum beats" then OK.
After that, you should see a bunch of white markers on your sample.
Then go back to the "Process" or is it "Tools" menu and choose "Extract Region".
Then choose a folder for all those little region camplse to go to.
When you go into that folder you wil see all those sample chops you just created..
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Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:49 am
SirPrize
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i don't remember seeing that "drum beats" ****, but i could have just missed it. i'll be trying something as soon as i touch back down to the rest. hard at work hardly working...probably shoot u a response before the night is out. peace
Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:02 am
Blaz4me
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Re: Auto Region
quote:
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Originally posted by Lampdog:
What I do is load the sample first.
Go to Auto Region
On the drop down menu choose "drum beats" then OK.
After that, you should see a bunch of white markers on your sample.
Then go back to the "Process" or is it "Tools" menu and choose "Extract Region".
Then choose a folder for all those little region camplse to go to.
When you go into that folder you wil see all those sample chops you just created..
------------------------------------------------------------------------
One quick question, what do you set your regions to?
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:16 am
Lampdog
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Different thresholds, attacks and releases depending on what I want to chop out of the sample/loop.
I usually will follow up EACH sample with a "noise gate - release" afterwards to get a nice quick/slow fade out at the end so I don't get any pops or clicks (sudden volume drops) using a batch converter of course cause it's very possible to have too many samples after you do the auto region thing.
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Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:22 am
Blaz4me
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new to chopping with software
Thanks for the input. The reason I asked was because I just recently began using Sound Forge for sample editing and I'm always looking to learn new techniques and shortcuts. If anything else comes to mind fill me in I'd appreciate it. PEACE
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:31 am
Lampdog
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I think I'm good at SF cause I was raised on Sonic Foundry products since '95. I was doing music before then but that's the year I went digital PC wit it.
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Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:35 am
Swissmaster Cheese
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My broke azz uses a free program called audacity....its like a stripped down version of SF...I use it for chopping up drum breaks and samples.....Its stupid easy to use and something to tide me over until i'm willing to invest in some real software....
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SAMPLING SOFTWARE??????????
I have an akai mpc2000xl
i love the sequencer on this machine and use it 2 sequence all of my beat's
but the sampling window is a bit basic
i wanted to step it up and get a software program that i can precisely chop my sample's
burn cd's and sequence my sample's in the 2000xl
what are some good software program's for window's xp that will allow me to do this
any help will be appreciated
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_________________
I LOVE DIS MUSIC AND CULTURE WE CALL HIP- HOP!!!
Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:27 pm
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
I use cool edit pro 2.1, sound forge 6.0 and vegas video (don't let the name fool you - it's a very powerful multitrack program). sound forge is a very powerful wave editor and can chop up samples automaticaly within parameters that you set.. good luck
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http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=20082
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:08 am
SirPrize
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Joined: 11 Jan 2003
Posts: 76
Location: Chicago
man, i've looking for that chopping option on sound forge for the longest. Could u give me a quick direction on how to do this, at least which option is it under? From here, can u directly transport this chopped sample, (as is) to the MPC?
Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:33 am
Blaz4me
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Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 561
Location: DA MURDA MITTEN
sample editing with Sound Forge 6.0
First things first , go into the file option and hit open. now select the folder containing your sample and hit open. Now that that's done heres what you need to do. After highlighting the portion you wish to sample/chop, hit CTRL C, (to copy the part you want) then CTRL E (to paste it on a new board). If more slicing is necessary repeat and save what you like. Note: another way to cut back on sample size is to only copy the left channel being that the right one is going to be faint anyway. That is unless you tweak it with the effects options. My bad, I almost forgot. When you 've decided on what your're going to keep go into edit screen and hit trim/crop. This will cut off the extra parts not highlighted.
Tue Sep 30, 2003 11:04 am
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
Auto Region might be what your looking for.. (chopping)
I chop using regions. auto region and extract region is automatic once you set the parameters. Auto region makes chopping so easy it should be outlawed.. Yes, you can take the samples directly to the MPC. I do it all the time. I start with a 16bit, 44.1khz wav and it chops up the sample you choose and it saves into whatever folder you want in the same format as the original.. Look for Auto Region/Extract Region..
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http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=20082
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:08 pm
SirPrize
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Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Location: Chicago
thx for the jewel, a whole new world is about to open, but first a few questions. Do you use the markers to set your zones up, or is there another way. i only did it one time, but it still appears easier to use the mpc. do u just zoom in to find the exact chopping points? I know you can apply fx, but do u do it b4 or after the chop?
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:25 am
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
Auto region can find regions via a many different ways.
For example it can seperate every drums hit in phrase or loop for automaical and make seperate wave files of each drum hit for you to load into your mpc. You can easily get MANY drums hits from a 5 second sample. It is easier in sound forge to chop than you think. It is much easier than doing it on the MPC for me. I use to use markers until I learned what regions were and I never looked back after that. I don't do any effects before chopping. I process individual samples after the chop (Auto Region). IE. You can set the threshold volume of the chop to automatically give you samples that raise above a certain db. Try threshold of -30, attack 0 or (infinite) inf for drums.. You should be able to pick out some nice drums and process/color/shape afterwards..
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http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=20082
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:37 am
SirPrize
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Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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first off...i'm not slow...
i thought i did all that without markers, but it didn't slice anything. i read the tutorials, but could grab the concept. the way u explain it, it would be much easier, becuz as i understand it, auto region finds valleys and peaks according to how you set the threshold, attack etc under auto region, right? when i did this, it processed it, but nothing (to the naked eye) happened. what am i missing? BTW thx for your help and quick responses!!
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:44 am
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
Auto Region
What I do is load the sample first.
Go to Auto Region
On the drop down menu choose "drum beats" then OK.
After that, you should see a bunch of white markers on your sample.
Then go back to the "Process" or is it "Tools" menu and choose "Extract Region".
Then choose a folder for all those little region camplse to go to.
When you go into that folder you wil see all those sample chops you just created..
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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:49 am
SirPrize
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Location: Chicago
i don't remember seeing that "drum beats" ****, but i could have just missed it. i'll be trying something as soon as i touch back down to the rest. hard at work hardly working...probably shoot u a response before the night is out. peace
Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:02 am
Blaz4me
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Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 561
Location: DA MURDA MITTEN
Re: Auto Region
quote:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Lampdog:
What I do is load the sample first.
Go to Auto Region
On the drop down menu choose "drum beats" then OK.
After that, you should see a bunch of white markers on your sample.
Then go back to the "Process" or is it "Tools" menu and choose "Extract Region".
Then choose a folder for all those little region camplse to go to.
When you go into that folder you wil see all those sample chops you just created..
------------------------------------------------------------------------
One quick question, what do you set your regions to?
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:16 am
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
Different thresholds, attacks and releases depending on what I want to chop out of the sample/loop.
I usually will follow up EACH sample with a "noise gate - release" afterwards to get a nice quick/slow fade out at the end so I don't get any pops or clicks (sudden volume drops) using a batch converter of course cause it's very possible to have too many samples after you do the auto region thing.
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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:22 am
Blaz4me
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new to chopping with software
Thanks for the input. The reason I asked was because I just recently began using Sound Forge for sample editing and I'm always looking to learn new techniques and shortcuts. If anything else comes to mind fill me in I'd appreciate it. PEACE
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:31 am
Lampdog
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Joined: 26 Jul 2003
Posts: 3481
Location: Killafornia
I think I'm good at SF cause I was raised on Sonic Foundry products since '95. I was doing music before then but that's the year I went digital PC wit it.
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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/lampdogmusic.htm
Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:35 am
Swissmaster Cheese
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Joined: 07 Jul 2003
Posts: 926
Location: In the Cut...tryin' to get a nut...
My broke azz uses a free program called audacity....its like a stripped down version of SF...I use it for chopping up drum breaks and samples.....Its stupid easy to use and something to tide me over until i'm willing to invest in some real software....
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1) Strike First!
2) Strike Hard!
3) Show No Mercy!
First single "Sweep the Leg, Johnny!" coming soon On Cold Clutch Records........