MPC Live vs MPC 2000XL and MPC 3000 sonics

got a question about the sonics of the MPC Live and MPC 2000XL and MPC 3000:

in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTvF0Fpcmq4

you mention that the MPC 3000 has the superior sound compared to the MPC Live because of the way the MPC 3000 is built. You also advised if possible to get the MPC 3000 if a person wants superior sonics or even the MPC 2000XL as an example for superior sonics.
If I cook up a beat on the MPC Live and track it out - then send the trackouts to an engineer who masters the beat along with an artists vocals of course - given the engineer has all the necessary analogue gear - could this way ever provide a similar sonic quality compared to if I cooked up the beat on the MPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 and tracked it out and gave it to the same engineer to master with an artists vocals?

essentiallly what I'm trying to ask is - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

[sent the above question to the creator of that youtube video referenced above - no response - was wondering if you guys could help me decipher this question?]

salute

3k got the best sonics; followed by 2000xl then live but there is not much in it

jpeg wrote:3k got the best sonics; followed by 2000xl then live but there is not much in it

Appreciate you - thank you.

I am still wondering - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

gelert wrote:I am still wondering - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

Go on spotify,tidal,youtube etc etc - pick a random released track, and try to guess on what sampler/beatmachine was the beat made - if You can distinguish what piece of gear has been used - congrats, You have the golden ears.
If You cannot - hmm, get the MPC live and stop wasting Your time, every minute You trying to figure what sounds "best" is the minute You could spend making actual music and improving beatmaking/mixing/mastering skillset

gelert wrote:I am still wondering - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

Whether you realize it or not, You're best suited to answer your own question. You're best prepared to know what your own needs and preferences are. I'm not sure what mixed and mastered has to do with your question so I would say the answer is no to that too.

The thing is this - People have romanticized the 3000 because their favorite producer(s) have used it and some how rationalize that if they own the same equipment as their favorite producer, that their skill level will be in the same range. They fail to understand that the MPC they have does not determine the skill level or quality of their beats at all. Those same favorite producers could make beats on anything and have it sound great because of the skill they have.

Think of it the same as thinking you can play as well as Michael Jordan because you have the same shoes as his.

If you felt like trolling right now, upload a beat to YouTube and write "Made on MPC 3000" and you will get comments praising the beat and responses about how the beat sounds the way it does because its made on a 3000. If you don't tell them it's made on a 3000, they won't know the difference.

The only strength I personally notice and experienced with the 3000 over other MPC's (not counting the 60) is the midi timing / clock / sequencer being quite accurate, which gives some the idea of the "3000 groove"

I love you.

Also to add, go download some sample comparison wav's that have been posted about this topic and view them in a spectral analyzer on your DAW, You'll see what I mean.

A wack producer with a 3000 won't sound better than a skilled producer using Cool Edit Pro.

offline wrote:

gelert wrote:I am still wondering - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

Go on spotify,tidal,youtube etc etc - pick a random released track, and try to guess on what sampler/beatmachine was the beat made - if You can distinguish what piece of gear has been used - congrats, You have the golden ears.
If You cannot - hmm, get the MPC live and stop wasting Your time, every minute You trying to figure what sounds "best" is the minute You could spend making actual music and improving beatmaking/mixing/mastering skillset

Appreciate you - yes I completely agree - I do have the MPC Live already and will stick with this. Great point.

richie wrote:

gelert wrote:I am still wondering - if a beat will get mixed/mastered anyway - does it matter in that scenario if I use a MPC Live, LPC 2000XL or MPC 3000 to cook up the beat?

Whether you realize it or not, You're best suited to answer your own question. You're best prepared to know what your own needs and preferences are. I'm not sure what mixed and mastered has to do with your question so I would say the answer is no to that too.

The thing is this - People have romanticized the 3000 because their favorite producer(s) have used it and some how rationalize that if they own the same equipment as their favorite producer, that their skill level will be in the same range. They fail to understand that the MPC they have does not determine the skill level or quality of their beats at all. Those same favorite producers could make beats on anything and have it sound great because of the skill they have.

Think of it the same as thinking you can play as well as Michael Jordan because you have the same shoes as his.

If you felt like trolling right now, upload a beat to YouTube and write "Made on MPC 3000" and you will get comments praising the beat and responses about how the beat sounds the way it does because its made on a 3000. If you don't tell them it's made on a 3000, they won't know the difference.

The only strength I personally notice and experienced with the 3000 over other MPC's (not counting the 60) is the midi timing / clock / sequencer being quite accurate, which gives some the idea of the "3000 groove"

I love you.

I love you too - ye you are right. Wish I had the same skills as Jordan too .

Salute ya'll

gelert wrote:I love you too - ye you are right. Wish I had the same skills as Jordan too .

Salute ya'll

You make better beats than Jordan.

richie wrote:

gelert wrote:I love you too - ye you are right. Wish I had the same skills as Jordan too .

Salute ya'll

You make better beats than Jordan.

I needed to hear that today thank you!

I used to cook up some good stuff on the older MPCs.All of them.Something about how everything gelled together,some life in the signal.Vibe.You get less of that with the new ones.Practically none.So sometimes you gotta work a bit harder to feel unique.But also means your not stuck with the old characteristics of the old machines.Workflow as well.You have more options generally now and cleaner more neutral transparent sonics.If you like that is up to you.Some people cant even know the difference….at least they don’t care.Can you add the vibe/feel to the new MPCs?you sure can of course.And should.But this won’t change the machine itself.And how it effects how you work inside of it ultimately.But if you come from those old machines and ways you can at least transfer that experience somewhat.

Making the machine ‘bang’ should be up to you in the end…..