Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By BackOnDaMPC Fri Jan 03, 2025 9:52 pm
Lampdog wrote:
BackOnDaMPC wrote:I know you weren't talking to me, but I have a question. Is it really that good, or were you being sarcastic?

No, I was talking in general, nothing cryptic or in circles, no sarcasm. :lol:

It’s a truth! Hop off the fence, go ahead, get it. I’m very confident you will be very happy with it. It’s a damn good plug-in. NOW, I’d love to see “Reverb Pro” that gives mpc reverbs the same respect as delay pro gave to delays! I said that before in several threads.
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By HouseWithoutMouse Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:24 pm
What kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality reverb plugin in-the-box? I've found that using a lot of send reverb across many tracks tends to sound cheesy. Unless you're doing trance techno (which is kind of cheesy by nature).

An external effect like Boss RV-6 offers great reverbs if you really need them.
By Straker Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:01 pm
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:What kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality reverb plugin in-the-box? I've found that using a lot of send reverb across many tracks tends to sound cheesy. Unless you're doing trance techno (which is kind of cheesy by nature).

An external effect like Boss RV-6 offers great reverbs if you really need them.

A genre called music.
And Reverb can sound cheesy if your music is cheesy.
I tried Rv6, not bad at all, but I am using a Neunaber Immerse, I think it's even better, a real gem of reverb.
Rv6 can sound a bit cheesy sometimes.
Then, having a nice sounding Air Reverb Pro, would let us leave our pedals and cables and small mixer at home and save space when moving around.
By HouseWithoutMouse Fri Jan 03, 2025 11:31 pm
So it's a nice-to-have, not a must-have? I meant, for what particular genre that people actually do with MPCs, it's a must-have. None?

Why not bake a great reverb in your samples, in an MPC production? Electronic sample-based music. Or are you trying to replace your ProTools rig with an MPC or something.
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By Lampdog Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:04 am
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:What kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality reverb plugin in-the-box?

A better in box reverb. That’s all.
By Straker Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:07 am
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:So it's a nice-to-have, not a must-have? I meant, for what particular genre that people actually do with MPCs, it's a must-have. None?

Why not bake a great reverb in your samples, in an MPC production? Electronic sample-based music. Or are you trying to replace your ProTools rig with an MPC or something.

Bake a reverb on your samples?
Well, ok, after that I just say: happy new year. Get a nice cheese at the shop and bake it with ham, it's good for winter.
By moonlake Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:15 am
I use Delay Pro a lot, but I still also use other delays too, mostly the MultiTap, but also StereoSync.
Often in combination with Delay Pro, to get something more rythmically complex.
Delay is and always was a means of composition for me.
Sometimes I am acused of overdoing it with delay...

Before I got the MPC I actually worked as a DSP guy for audio fx.
I guess I spent 2 years of my life or more on reverb development alone.

While I wish I could port some of my stuff to the MPC, I think the AIR Reverb isnt that bad.
Its a bit cryptic what some of the parameters are though. Like Ambience.

I also use the older "lame" reverbs occasionally, mostly the gated reverbs.

At first I was a bit snobbish about the MPC fx, and thought I would have done everything on an other level.
But now I think different, and I think AIR really do some really great stuff. Sometimes a bit rushed it seems, like the wavetables names list in Hype is off, and doesnt match the waves on some point,
and simikar bugs..
but lets not forget the machine has limited ressources and I now recognize that "different than I would have done it" doesnt mean inferior, on the contrary in some cases, and I am surprised by the amount of fx this box can handle.

I also thought all the distortions were crap, but after using the MPC for 2 years I think some are really good, and I love the Diode Clipper which I hated at first try.

Whats missing in some cases is documentation, cause not everything is obvious.

What I am using a lot instead of or in combination with reverb is the Granular fx.
Another case of where I thought it was lame and "not how you do it" at first glance but again,
now I think very different. Its not how I would have done it but I am using it much more then I used my own granular things, its much more usable.
By Straker Sat Jan 04, 2025 12:29 am
moonlake wrote:I use Delay Pro a lot, but I still also use other delays too, mostly the MultiTap, but also StereoSync.
Often in combination with Delay Pro, to get something more rythmically complex.
Delay is and always was a means of composition for me.
Sometimes I am acused of overdoing it with delay...

Before I got the MPC I actually worked as a DSP guy for audio fx.
I guess I spent 2 years of my life or more on reverb development alone.

While I wish I could port some of my stuff to the MPC, I think the AIR Reverb isnt that bad.
Its a bit cryptic what some of the parameters are though. Like Ambience.

I also use the older "lame" reverbs occasionally, mostly the gated reverbs.

At first I was a bit snobbish about the MPC fx, and thought I would have done everything on an other level.
But now I think different, and I think AIR really do some really great stuff. Sometimes a bit rushed it seems, like the wavetables names list in Hype is off, and doesnt match the waves on some point,
and simikar bugs..
but lets not forget the machine has limited ressources and I now recognize that "different than I would have done it" doesnt mean inferior, on the contrary in some cases, and I am surprised by the amount of fx this box can handle.

I also thought all the distortions were crap, but after using the MPC for 2 years I think some are really good, and I love the Diode Clipper which I hated at first try.

Whats missing in some cases is documentation, cause not everything is obvious.

What I am using a lot instead of or in combination with reverb is the Granular fx.
Another case of where I thought it was lame and "not how you do it" at first glance but again,
now I think very different. Its not how I would have done it but I am using it much more then I used my own granular things, its much more usable.

I also think Air fx are good, and by chance the same thing is happening to me with Diode Clipper, I hated it and snub it at the beginning but now I am using it a lot.
Another one I am starting to like and use is Flavour, I snubbed it in the beginning but now I am using it a lot, radio transistors and megaphone are really nice to make a sound go in the background for a while, you raise the timbre depth, maybe monofy it.
There are good distortions here and there on Air fx, the rectify in Lofi for example.
But honestly, I never find the reverb so good. I tried to chain it with some modulations or autofilters, and it improves a bit but still it sounds harsh to my ears if you go for longer decays and the infinite mode is just not good.
If you try a good external reverb pedal in send, you can clearly hear the difference, Air one has no spatiality, no depth, it sounds metallic.
It's ok when you just need to add some tail, shorter decay, it makes its job.
By jamos Sat Jan 04, 2025 2:11 am
40Beatz wrote:For some odd reason...Most of the Reverbs are set to 100% Mix as a Default (sounding Sh*tty). Soon as I load a Reverb, I turn the MIX percentage down to 20% or so. Only then can you get an accurate sound of the Reverbs


The reason is not so odd. Reverbs are almost always used on a return, and when used this way, the mix absolutely should be at 100%.
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By mr_debauch Sat Jan 04, 2025 6:46 am
well, i tend you use the akai reverb 2 on standalone mode.. you can turn down the wet dry mix knob, adjust the tail length, and i suppose the most important feature is being able to gate the high and low dampness to get rid of the shrill or undesirable frequencies the reverb makes... it isn't amazing, but it works and stacks up okay in the mix.. you can throw it on hats and snares for example and it fills it in a bit and sometimes can trick the ear into thinking some dry sounds are in the same space.

is it as powerful as proper DAW vst effects? well no, but it does work when you are just making a beat in the mpc... otherwise i would just export the stems and mix the track in cubase or what ever daw to use higher end plug ins.
By Straker Sat Jan 04, 2025 11:19 am
mr_debauch wrote:well, i tend you use the akai reverb 2 on standalone mode.. you can turn down the wet dry mix knob, adjust the tail length, and i suppose the most important feature is being able to gate the high and low dampness to get rid of the shrill or undesirable frequencies the reverb makes... it isn't amazing, but it works and stacks up okay in the mix.. you can throw it on hats and snares for example and it fills it in a bit and sometimes can trick the ear into thinking some dry sounds are in the same space.

is it as powerful as proper DAW vst effects? well no, but it does work when you are just making a beat in the mpc... otherwise i would just export the stems and mix the track in cubase or what ever daw to use higher end plug ins.

Yes, both Air and Akai reverbs make their job if you use them at low decay rates to add tails.
But if you wanna use them in a creative way, they just don't do their job.
I still have a Roland dep3 rack reverb in my studio, I use it very rarely, it was made in the beginning of 80s, I am sure it has a fraction of Ram/Cpu power we use today.
It doesn't sound natural at all but still it stays pleasant and sounds fine even at longer decays.
So there is a way to make a nice sounding reverb even with the limited resources of standalone Mpc, I suppose.
And if they make a cpu hungry Reverb, it's still ok, you use just one on return.
By HUBA Sat Jan 04, 2025 4:47 pm
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:What kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality reverb plugin in-the-box?


What kind of question is that to ask in a place like this?

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:I've found that using a lot of send reverb across many tracks tends to sound cheesy. Unless you're doing trance techno (which is kind of cheesy by nature).


It's a common practice across practically all genres to have a global reverb available for any channel. Like most other things in life it works best when not overused.

HouseWithoutMouse wrote:An external effect like Boss RV-6 offers great reverbs if you really need them.


I suspect most people in here are aware of the existence of external effects.
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By EnochLight Sun Jan 05, 2025 3:30 am
HouseWithoutMouse wrote:What kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality reverb plugin in-the-box?


This is an odd question. The answer is: does it matter? The point is - currently there is no high quality reverb plugin on the MPC (or Force) in standalone, and it's absolutely an area that could be improved.

Your question is like asking "what kind of MPC productions or genres particularly need a high-quality audio warp algorithm?" :nod: :lol:
By an_expresso Sun Jan 05, 2025 8:23 am
I'm with you guys, the reverbs just aren't that good on here. I bought Delay Pro so I would be willing to get a good reverb. Hopefully they can get some better effects period, because most are so low quality sounding and looking.