Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
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By EnochLight Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:03 pm
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EnochLight wrote:No, that's a workaround (that us Force users have had to do since Day 1) and it doesn't allow you to hit every time signature. Thankfully Akai have acknowledged the user base needs this and are working on bringing it back. :smoker:


Akai has been saying that since day one to us Force users.


But they've never acknowledged that they are working on fixing this in a public statement before, and now they have. It's literally in the "Ongoing Improvements" of MPC 3.4.1's Release Notes document, so that's a win, IMHO. Well, at least for MPC users that are on MPC 3... :nod: :worthy:
By Masi Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:33 pm
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dustyslices wrote:Keygroups ticked off, still missing CV :WTF:



I'm not seeing this at all. I would definitely use this.

Is this part of 3.4.1? If so, how do you get to this page?

It's not on my 3.4.1.

It looks interesting, but there aren't even proper labels on the knobs. If this is really from Akai, they guy must have gotten hold of either a developer version or found a way to enable a hidden feature that shipped with 3.4.1.
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:30 am
It's there hidden in the code, I believe you have to be using an SSH enabled modified firmware, he's been monitoring the development of this for a while.

Masi wrote:It looks interesting, but there aren't even proper labels on the knobs. If this is really from Akai, they guy must have gotten hold of either a developer version or found a way to enable a hidden feature that shipped with 3.4.1.
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Jan 24, 2025 7:58 am
So last night someone contacted me wondering what the hell had happened to his MPC after the latest update, clearly not aware of the whole MPC3 thing and had just updated his MPC from the 'online update available' pop up. So I decided to send him a link to the MPC3 page on the Akaipro web site, but wow, it's really seems more like the NI home page than the MPC3 info page.

I get that the NI thing is a bit of a coup for Akai, but it seems like they've got a bit carried away and let it overshadow the actual MPC3 release. I also didn't realise that Analog Dreams is a free plugin for NI users, so seems odd that it's not also free for MPC users, would seem to make more sense IMO.

People seem to be talking about inMusic prepping to buy out NI, but it seems to me more like NI just re-hashing a bunch of older content into other formats to rinse some more cash out of it. I wonder if NI were even involved in the process other than just sending over the sound content for Akai devs to do the actual coding. Akai don't even get to sell the content on their own site. Will be interesting to see if the partnership goes both ways with Akai selling, say, Maschine formatted versions of Akai expansions.
By Straker Fri Jan 24, 2025 11:49 am
NI conquered Akai or Akai conquered NI?
So silly.
And so useless.
I guess many people, me included, had the option to buy Maschine or MPC and chose MPC.
Then NI starts selling its dated sound libraries to MPC.
There is a lot to be puzzled by that.
And MPC3 will be good in a year, I guess.
So the truth is that beyond all this noise, people who use MPC to work will just stay on MPC2 for a long time and that's it.
By jpeg Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:16 pm
Straker wrote:NI conquered Akai or Akai conquered NI?
So silly.
And so useless.
I guess many people, me included, had the option to buy Maschine or MPC and chose MPC.
Then NI starts selling its dated sound libraries to MPC.
There is a lot to be puzzled by that.
And MPC3 will be good in a year, I guess.
So the truth is that beyond all this noise, people who use MPC to work will just stay on MPC2 for a long time and that's it.


Akai made NI bend the knee; maschine platform has been on a downward trajectory for years; so NI waved the white flag letting Akai know we cant beat u in hardware, so will join u in software.

But far as 3.0; prolly bout version 3.8; it will stabalise
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:32 pm
jpeg wrote:Akai made NI bend the knee


It's possible to see it the other way around as well, Akai desperately fawning over NI and acknowledging that NI's content is perhaps in a better league, to the point where they've clearly released 3.4 too early so they can get the most mileage out of NAMM and this partnership, plus they've let NI take over the MPC3 page on the Akaipro site.

I wonder who contacted who here? I just don't think Akai particularly need the content, both NI and Akai sample expansions are (IMHO) fairly generic, safe and by the numbers, and much of the NI stuff is even often developed by the same sound designers these days anyway (e.g. MSX etc).

AIR seem more than capable with regard to plugins, plus inMusic has a pretty hefty archive of content to fall back on across all the various brands. I get that this is less about the content and more about the 'whoop whoop we they are in a partnership together', but that's generally how Akai present everything, e.g. Splice, Ableton integration etc.

I'm not saying it isn't worth making a song and dance about, but it just seems like something they should have perhaps held back on for a few months until they made the most out of the MPC3 release (which again suggests that MPC3 only went live because NI's plugins require MPC3 to run). From the website ATM it just comes across as MPC3 itself is some kind of join venture between Akai and NI, and it obviously is not, NI just made some MPC compatible versions of their old content.

Akai just doing themselves a bit of an injustice, they deserve to take the full limelight on MPC3 and not share it with NI.
By Straker Fri Jan 24, 2025 12:47 pm
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jpeg wrote:Akai made NI bend the knee


It's possible to see it the other way around as well, Akai desperately fawning over NI and acknowledging that NI's content is perhaps in a better league, to the point where they've clearly released 3.4 too early so they can get the most mileage out of NAMM and this partnership, plus they've let NI take over the MPC3 page on the Akaipro site.

I wonder who contacted who here? I just don't think Akai particularly need the content, both NI and Akai sample expansions are (IMHO) fairly generic, safe and by the numbers, and much of the NI stuff is even often developed by the same sound designers these days anyway (e.g. MSX etc).

AIR seem more than capable with regard to plugins, plus inMusic has a pretty hefty archive of content to fall back on across all the various brands. I get that this is less about the content and more about the 'whoop whoop we they are in a partnership together', but that's generally how Akai present everything, e.g. Splice, Ableton integration etc.

I'm not saying it isn't worth making a song and dance about, but it just seems like something they should have perhaps held back on for a few months until they made the most out of the MPC3 release (which again suggests that MPC3 only went live because NI's plugins require MPC3 to run). From the website ATM it just comes across as MPC3 itself is some kind of join venture between Akai and NI, and it obviously is not. Akai just doing themselves a bit of an injustice, they deserve to take the full limelight on MPC3 and not share with NI.

Expansions, expansions, expansions to sell, that's the point.
Writing here and there, I came to the conclusion that the big majority of MPC users are expansions and preset users, just a minority of people prefer to dive into sampler and sampling, build their own sounds and so on.
Or, at least, there is a split between the two kind of users.
And NI has a huge catalogue of libraries, starting from Kontakt and their legacy synths, like Absynth and so on, which is dated and have no future in the computer domain which is already at the next stage of modeling.
So here we go, MPC gets the libraries and the hype, NI sells sounds that nobody pay for anymore.
A win win.
And I still think that this is a test to understand if it's worth for Inmusic to buy NI and implement their stuff on MPC.
I hope the answer will be no.
And yes, mpc3 is going to be a big mess, that's why they need to pump up the hype with these (useless) libraries.
Otherwise, what would you show at Namm?
A bad working OS in beta with flawed new keygroups, an arranger which doesn't record track mutes events, track mutes with visual bugs and so on?
Expansions, expansions, expansions, ready made dollars with ready made sounds.
I hope Air gonna chime in soon and rescue MPC again.
Long life to Air.
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By MPC-Tutor Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:03 pm
Straker wrote:[an arranger which doesn't record track mutes events


I've requested they at least add mute and solo to the arranger, but the workaround for arranger track mutes is to go into 'Track' Qlink mode and use the top Qlink to turn track mute on/off. However I believe that's an 'audio' mute rather than event.
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By EnochLight Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:44 pm
moonlake wrote:according to this site, inMusic Brand revenue: 147 mio. , NI: 15 mio.
https://growjo.com/company/Native_Instruments

Native employees: 775. :shock: what are they all doing.

15 mio / 775 ~= 19 k per employee.

Doesnt look like a profitable business.


I don't feel this is an accurate comparison. While I agree that Native Instruments are probably not doing great from a net revenue perspective, your comparison misses something big - we're not talking about InMusic as a company whole here - we're talking about the net revenue Akai generates by itself. Those numbers are hidden, so it will be impossible to tell how much that part of company draws in. But I am 99% certain that Akai doesn't have hundreds of employees.
By 40Beatz Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:46 pm
Straker wrote:Expansions, expansions, expansions to sell, that's the point.
Writing here and there, I came to the conclusion that the big majority of MPC users are expansions and preset users, just a minority of people prefer to dive into sampler and sampling, build their own sounds and so on.
Or, at least, there is a split between the two kind of users.
And NI has a huge catalogue of libraries, starting from Kontakt and their legacy synths, like Absynth and so on, which is dated and have no future in the computer domain which is already at the next stage of modeling.


lol I told You that few days ago :lol:
By 40Beatz Fri Jan 24, 2025 2:52 pm
IMO.....

Akai/InMusic didn't Concentrate on the Plug-In Market that well....
NativeInstruments Parent Company didn't concentrate on the Hardware Market that well....

Together...They combined their Shortcomings.
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By EnochLight Fri Jan 24, 2025 3:12 pm
I mean, we're talking about a limited product partnership here gang - it's not like every plugin NI ever did is available. Seriously think this is being looked at way too deeply... And if NI doesn't see many sales from this, you probably won't see anymore.

I will say - I'm thinking about picking up the "Lone Forest" Expansion. That's definitely my wheelhouse.