Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
By B-Wise Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:18 am
Neodymium wrote:The MIDI protocol was created in 1983. The first multitimbral synth was the Casio CZ101 in 1985, which allowed 4 voices. You'd struggle to send 4 parts to the MPC without hitting the midi note off bug. The MPC isn't able to keep up with 40 year old tech, and fails to meet the MIDI protocol over 4 decades old.

M.P.C=MIDI Pretty Crappy :lol:
By submo Sat Jul 12, 2025 2:04 pm
Neodymium wrote:The MIDI protocol was created in 1983. The first multitimbral synth was the Casio CZ101 in 1985, which allowed 4 voices. You'd struggle to send 4 parts to the MPC without hitting the midi note off bug. The MPC isn't able to keep up with 40 year old tech, and fails to meet the MIDI protocol over 4 decades old.


My mindset is if Akai can't get this right (after four years)....Then there's really no hope for MPC3.
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By Neodymium Sat Jul 12, 2025 5:06 pm
But it these plug in I want to play with midi.

I like to sequence from my DAW, using tools like scaler, and a bunch of arp and pattern tools. Then record the midi over to the MPC.

The fact they are selling Plug Ins should be an incentive to fix the Midi bug.
By 40Beatz Mon Jul 14, 2025 2:52 pm
I believe Akai is slowly tryin to get away from External Hardware usage. They gearing towards "All In The Box" technology. They wanna make revenue from us buying Plugin versions of your Hardware Synths. Its not a priority to fix that Midi Note Off Bug lol. They like "Ehhhh we'll get to it later". Akai caters to New User Fanbase who'll spend more money on Plugins and new features. Not us Old Heads with External Hardware. Akai is like "We got your Money already lol. We tryin to get that New Money"

LIke I always say....We gotta deal with the Hand We're Dealt. There's plenty of workarounds to circumvent the MIDI Note Off Bug.

We just have to take their word..."They're Working On It"
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By Monotremata Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:22 pm
cocosushi wrote:the bug fix(es) for midi is/are on their to do list so there's hope it'll get fixed one day :mrgreen:


That thing has BEEN on the 'to do' list for a few years now.. Remember this started back at 2.9/2.10, and STILL isn't fixed, and somehow they've already moved on to 3.0.
By jamos Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:00 pm
Monotremata wrote:
cocosushi wrote:the bug fix(es) for midi is/are on their to do list so there's hope it'll get fixed one day :mrgreen:


That thing has BEEN on the 'to do' list for a few years now.. Remember this started back at 2.9/2.10, and STILL isn't fixed, and somehow they've already moved on to 3.0.


The fact that this hasn't been fixed after approxinately 3 years should concern everyone, not just the hard-core MIDI users. Why? It indicates that Akai has lost control of their code, and no longer understands how it works.

I suspect that, since InMusic (what a shitty name) took over, they are using programmers as "resources"and move them from project to project, brand to brand, in line with the release schedule set by marketing. When this happens, the programmers have little attachment to the project and they get sloppy: not commenting code, employing techniques that don't leverage the existing code, making quick fixes instead of digging for root causes.

MIDI data processing is not complex. Every message is tagged with a channel; it should not be hard to correlate events with channels. The fact that they have not fixed this means that their MIDI processing code is a hot mess that no current employee fully understands.
By 40Beatz Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:05 pm
Sounds like its only concerning for people with Outboard Gear. I believe this is InMusic's way of saying.."Its Wrap for you guys" lol
They may want you guys to start recording that Synthesizer Track as a Audio File. Then manipulate it from within....idk
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By Neodymium Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:01 am
Although I do have a lot of outboard, once I sequence from the MPC, it's not an issue. So it's kind of irrelevant whether outboard or internal plug ins. In a way the issue is the MPC when it is the outboard gear.

Say I use Scaler to play Jura chords, That can cover 3 octave easily. Then I use an Arpeggiator app, or have some big pads on OPX4, again likely to cover 3 octaves. Then with my keyboard I want to jam along bass lines, get funky with some octaves with the Mini D, that's another 2 and half octave range. A soon as any of these play the same note, the note off message effects more than one synth.

Another scenario. You have two keyboard players connected to the MPC, and you mix and ply beats. Those two players have to stay out of each others way. The synth bass needs to avoid higher notes and the harmony player needs to be aware of his left hand playing too low. Now add third player with trigger pads playing percussion, and notes will be cut short everywhere.

In Music want us to buy their plug ins, but the note off bug limits their uses.
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By Oscar South Fri Jul 18, 2025 12:52 pm
40Beatz wrote:Sounds like its only concerning for people with Outboard Gear. I believe this is InMusic's way of saying.."Its Wrap for you guys" lol
They may want you guys to start recording that Synthesizer Track as a Audio File. Then manipulate it from within....idk


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By 40Beatz Fri Jul 18, 2025 8:56 pm
Exactly....lol


Then .......Now
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By Oscar South Fri Jul 25, 2025 9:02 pm
40Beatz wrote:Exactly....lol


Then .......Now



I could never submit to these kinds of concessions. We should push ourselves into new ground and growth, not reason away lost potential as some kind of inverted sense of progress.

And yes, I project my antagonistic ideals onto the world, all it's inhabitants and inanimate objects included.