Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
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By mrmarbury Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:12 pm
Kopiller wrote:I activated and downloaded and nope no expansion pack, this i think only downloads the wavetables bc no expansion or new keygroups in sight


Maybe the Thefty video helps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5QZI5 ... CrLgIoR5_8

He shows the installation, how it works (or some things don’t) and I think pretty much in the last 5th of the video he plays around with patches. :hmmm:
By JethroJethro Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:28 pm
mrmarbury wrote:
Kopiller wrote:I activated and downloaded and nope no expansion pack, this i think only downloads the wavetables bc no expansion or new keygroups in sight


Maybe the Thefty video helps?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qt5QZI5 ... CrLgIoR5_8

He shows the installation, how it works (or some things don’t) and I think pretty much in the last 5th of the video he plays around with patches. :hmmm:


11:42 he explains how to use these new waveforms as key group presets. It’s not the usual expansions or navigating files way.
By Delphinus Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:40 pm
This is a very cool update. The new waveforms under drums and keygroups open up a lot of possibilities.
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By MPC-Tutor Thu Jun 18, 2026 11:58 pm
JethroJethro wrote:11:42 he explains how to use these new waveforms as key group presets. It’s not the usual expansions or navigating files way.


Not sure why he's making such a big deal about it, he made a keygroup track/instrument so he should save it as a keygroup track, it's not a 'preset', we always save a keygroup track that way.
By JethroJethro Fri Jun 19, 2026 12:15 am
MPC-Tutor wrote:
JethroJethro wrote:11:42 he explains how to use these new waveforms as key group presets. It’s not the usual expansions or navigating files way.


Not sure why he's making such a big deal about it, he made a keygroup track/instrument so he should save it as a keygroup track, it's not a 'preset', we always save a keygroup track that way.


Yeah I get it, but some people are expecting to just go to the sounds browser and see playable key groups like you’d get from an expansion. In reality that’s just one use of the new tools but here in this thread there’s already somebody asking for essentially just that. (Meanwhile I’m de tuning the crazy wave tables to use as LFOs to send to a plug-in synth while automating or twisting the index points..)
By robleighton22 Fri Jun 19, 2026 12:17 am
Man this oscillators update is just killer. Firstly the included oscillators sound amazing, and integrates perfectly into the rest of the features.

I tried creating a replica of an Analog Rytm style drum program but with mpce x and y controlling the oscillators. Put a pad into 16 pitches, quantised to a scale, and with articulations, x/y movements etc. Im blown away. I could create a monster track with just 1 or 2 drum programs and one or two keygroups.

Also the Jura and Iona filters have been added.

What an update. And no-one was begging for these features, shows the engineers are getting more innovative and implementing ideas more smartly.
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By MGoolas Fri Jun 19, 2026 5:39 am
With such an update they should have pushed hard on the electronic music community. Bring some techno dnb trance influencers in the spotlight and let them do some sound design with the new tool set.
We all know that mpc can do piano and soul vocal sample boom bap. We've seen the same demos a billion times while mpc os is way beyond the standard boom bap sound toolset.
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By Juxx Fri Jun 19, 2026 6:40 am
MGoolas wrote:With such an update they should have pushed hard on the electronic music community. Bring some techno dnb trance influencers in the spotlight and let them do some sound design with the new tool set.
We all know that mpc can do piano and soul vocal sample boom bap. We've seen the same demos a billion times while mpc os is way beyond the standard boom bap sound toolset.



Yah to me my antacid for gas is to watch tutorials of other machines i'm interested in and attempt to do the same thing on my MPCXOG to diffuse it.....

I just keep hearing about this mysterious dark arts of the OctaTrack that supposedly does something so incredible we can't understand it until we use it...

I just wish somebody who knows that hyper glitch stuff on both MPC and OctaTrack would compare and contrast what is so great about it and where our machines fall short and how we could mimic it. :roll: :hmmm:
By B-Wise Fri Jun 19, 2026 6:54 am
Juxx wrote:I just wish somebody who knows that hyper glitch stuff on both MPC and OctaTrack would compare and contrast what is so great about it and where our machines fall short and how we could mimic it. :roll: :hmmm:

This would be nice!
By Kopiller Fri Jun 19, 2026 8:33 am
I have an hipothesis: the NI, Fabric and other sampler based pluguins use internally the mpc sample engin and they have updated the engine for more powerful plugins.
By dustyslices Fri Jun 19, 2026 8:57 am
close, but not entirely true - they're different engines, designed for different tasks and developed by two different teams however they overlap in many areas if you would find a way to compare them side by side.

EDIT:
just realised you mixed in mpc sample in there as well - sample is exactly same stuff as normal mpc, it even uses the same executable binary
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By Lampdog Fri Jun 19, 2026 9:32 am
MGoolas wrote:…mpc os is way beyond the standard boom bap sound toolset...
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By MGoolas Fri Jun 19, 2026 10:25 am
Juxx wrote:
MGoolas wrote:With such an update they should have pushed hard on the electronic music community. Bring some techno dnb trance influencers in the spotlight and let them do some sound design with the new tool set.
We all know that mpc can do piano and soul vocal sample boom bap. We've seen the same demos a billion times while mpc os is way beyond the standard boom bap sound toolset.



Yah to me my antacid for gas is to watch tutorials of other machines i'm interested in and attempt to do the same thing on my MPCXOG to diffuse it.....

I just keep hearing about this mysterious dark arts of the OctaTrack that supposedly does something so incredible we can't understand it until we use it...

I just wish somebody who knows that hyper glitch stuff on both MPC and OctaTrack would compare and contrast what is so great about it and where our machines fall short and how we could mimic it. :roll: :hmmm:


If you only knew how many years I am battling against myself to not purchase an octatrack.
I have watched hours of octatrack tutorials and it seems like the only thing that the Octatrack does that the MPc can't is the on the fly record and editing of incoming audio.

You want glitchy stuff ? Chop your sample in 100 slices and modulate the slice index with an arp or an envelope follower. Modulate with velocity the amp envelope or drum ring modulation. You can do a million things more.

P-Locks, you can kinda emulate that in the step sequencer by selecting the automation lane that you wish to do that and adjust the per step value. The caveat is that you can't do that on the fly like octatrack does, because older mpcs lack a hardware step sequencer.
It is a matter of time for Live III and XL to be capable of ture octatrack P-Locks, where you will be press holding a step and any value you may change will be registered as automation. It is definitely doable.
By B-Wise Fri Jun 19, 2026 10:45 am
Found this cool comment by KeepitABuck2025 on Loopop's G2 One/Key37 video & had to share it:

MPC One G2 vs MPC Key 37 G2 // & OS 3.9’s Wild New Oscillators // MPC G2 Review
loopop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqmIaAly6LM

@KeepitABuc2025
-“I do own a key 61 The *ASM Hydrasynth* is legendary for its digital "Wavemorphing" engine, massive 32-slot modulation matrix, and highly complex Mutant modifiers (like Pulse Width Squeeze, Linear FM, and Wavefolding).

With the *MPC 3.9 Keygroup Oscillator* update, you can simulate many of the Hydrasynth's core concepts. While the Hydrasynth has specialized hardware "Mutants," the MPC’s new synthesis architecture allows you to mimic its complex, shifting digital waveshaping. The layout maps to the Hydrasynth's core features in the following ways:
### 1. Simulating Wavemorphing & Mutant Engines In the Hydrasynth, you select a starting wave or a set of 8 wavetables and morph between them.

In MPC 3.9, you can achieve this heavily modulated digital texture using specific oscillator models: * *Wavetable Engine:* The MPC 3.9 *Wavetable* oscillator allows you to import custom wavetables. By routing an LFO or an envelope to the *Osc Position* parameter, you can duplicate the Hydrasynth’s signature scanning/wavemorphing sounds.

* *The "Mutant" FM / Ring Mod Emulation:* The Hydrasynth uses Mutants for FM and Ring Modulation. The MPC 3.9 architecture features dedicated *FM2* (2-operator FM) and *RM3* (3-operator ring modulation) oscillator types. You can map parameters like FM Level, Feedback, and Decay inside the MPC to mimic the metallic, bell-like, and aggressive industrial tones typical of a Hydrasynth.

* *PWM & Squeeze:* The MPC's *Pulse* oscillator features variable pulse width control, allowing you to replicate standard PWM textures directly at the oscillator level before hitting the filter.

### 2. Mimicking the Massive Mod Matrix The Hydrasynth's primary workflow revolves around its expansive Modulation Matrix. Because MPC 3.9 upgrades the Keygroup architecture with a deep **32-cell Modulation Matrix**, multiple LFOs, and advanced envelopes per voice, you can replicate complex patches: * You can route an LFO to modulate the crossfade (xfade) or position of a wavetable layer, while a second LFO slightly modulates the pitch (Per-Voice Drift LFO) to simulate the organic drift of analog or high-end digital hardware.

### 3. Exploiting Multi-Layering (Going Beyond 3 Oscillators) The Hydrasynth features 3 oscillators per voice. Because an MPC 3.9 Keygroup track allows you to layer up to *8 independent oscillators* simultaneously, you can build sounds that are structurally even more complex than a standard single-patch Hydrasynth: * *Layer 1 & 2:* Set to Wavetables for the shifting morph pads. * *Layer 3:* Set to an RM3 or FM2 oscillator for a metallic, transient "pluck" at the attack phase. * *Layer 4:* Set to Saw/Square or Warm Sine to act as a solid analog sub-bass foundation.

### 4. Polyphonic Aftertouch Expression One of the Hydrasynth's defining physical traits is its Polyphonic Aftertouch keybed. If you are playing your MPC 3.9 Keygroup via an *MPC Key 61* (which features a keybed with aftertouch) or an external MPE/Poly-Aftertouch controller, the MPC 3.9 engine can receive that data. You can map *Aftertouch* as a Source in the MPC's Modulation Matrix to control filter cutoff, wavetable position, or FM depth per-note, matching the exact expressive playstyle of the Hydrasynth hardware.”
By idk973 Fri Jun 19, 2026 12:26 pm
Maybe it's time to have envelope per layer Akai....