snares

i wanna know how and what y'all use to make the snare hit harder than they would off the sample

i play around until i like it....but i don't have a real method...

so what do you guys do?

You could try boosting the low to mid e.q. and cutting the high. Try envelope attack. Do you sample off vinyl or from a keyboard? I ask this, because you don't want to compress a sound that's been compressed.

UNSYSTEMATIC wrote:You could try boosting the low to mid e.q. and cutting the high. Try envelope attack. Do you sample off vinyl or from a keyboard? I ask this, because you don't want to compress a sound that's been compressed.

i have never sampled from a keyboard.....i sample any other format i can get my hands on......

for example........let's say i wanted my snares to hit hard like primo's........it is a few cats i can name with hard drums....i know some just run upon it but i wanna know what to do when it is the snare you want but you want it to hit harder.....what are some methods i and others at the board can use?.............what is the envelope attack?

first you gotta start off with good snares....

oops.

UNSYSTEMATIC wrote:You could try boosting the low to mid e.q. and cutting the high. Try envelope attack. Do you sample off vinyl or from a keyboard? I ask this, because you don't want to compress a sound that's been compressed.

i double compress all the time. why do you say not to? i know there is a limit to how much you compress before it sounds like crap, but sometimes you gotta run it through a couple diferent things to get what you want.

I most of the time, eq and.or compress snares. Sometimes I layer 3-5 of the same snare with different characteristics and pan a little left or right, also different bit rates when layering. Sometimes completely difernt snares layered together. Try some of that. It's all about experimentation.

mixing board.. for the most part, I barely have to add more volume /eq to get the sound I need.. you don't even have to get anything complicated/expensive (compression etc.) Any cheapo mixer with an equalizer will give you the boost you need. Also, from my experiences, most of my drum samples (snares in particular) require layering. A rim snare with a light shaker in the background will sound softer because the shaker ghosts some of the hi's from the rim.. this is just an example.. but it's easier and cheaper to learn how to layer samples than it is to buy/sell/waste money buying equipment that's not necessary. Believe me, I've wasted a lot of cash on bull$hit that I didn't even need. My MPC, turntable, and mixing board are the best things I've spent my money on (can't forget good cables..NOT HOSA, and decent monitors). This is the meat and potatoes of your studio, all that other stuff is errelevant. In fact, an MPC, turntable, and house-speakers/amp can create #1 hits.

. ..dyrt.trax. ..

layer some diff snares together.. this will obviously beef the sound up.. I usually layer 3-5 snares to make one thick snare, after I'm done with the track, I record the snare, compress it, maybe eq it a bit, and save it as a new snare for future tracks to layer with other's and repeat process. A good way of keeping some new drum sounds handy.

get a 12-bit sampler and EQ before and after you sample. If you just have the MP and no mixing board/eq, layer. Usually, 2 layers of the same drum, one w/the resonance way up, one with the freq about 30-50 is enough. Play w/volumes too, but keep the pan consistent if you want it to pound, or pan w/different drums and offset the sequence to do a ghetto "widening." Primo's drums now are all versions of about 5 UBB breaks (Shack-Up, a song off #2, a few others early in the series)...

official wrote:get a 12-bit sampler and EQ before and after you sample. If you just have the MP and no mixing board/eq, layer. Usually, 2 layers of the same drum, one w/the resonance way up, one with the freq about 30-50 is enough. Play w/volumes too, but keep the pan consistent if you want it to pound, or pan w/different drums and offset the sequence to do a ghetto "widening." Primo's drums now are all versions of about 5 UBB breaks (Shack-Up, a song off #2, a few others early in the series)...

i have a 12 bit sampler......to be honest i am a fan when others do it......it sounds sh!tty to me....maybe i am missing something but i f()ckz with the mpc over 12 bit......thaz just me.......hey i think primo uses the MPC-3000 more than the 60....i maybe wrong....but it seems like it is somekind of trick......