Share your knowledge on these two classic MPCs

By ntalec Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:06 am
It may be a balanced input but it's still not stereo.
Remember a balanced 1/4 is a stereo 1/4 with 2 grounds.
I would suggest that you sample left or right but don't merge the signal since you might end up with some signal cancellation.
One of the reasons a lot of people drums sound off or weak is because they try to sample stereo drums instead of creating a stereo sound field for the drums and they get some cancellation.
Drums always sound best when you remember how a drum kit is setup and how sound interacts.

Anyway download
MPC60 v3.10 manual

and go ahead and order the v3 from Route66 since they have it for 1/2 the normal cost.

By iMack Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:26 am
Thanks for the tips ntalec.

So you're saying I shouldn't get an adapter like this? http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getp ... dapter%201

If I sample either left or right only, won't there be some sound "missing" in the sample? Other samplers I'm considering buying are SP1200 or S950. Would they also let me to only sample one channel? I never realized I can't sample both left and right at once. Is this how you guys work?

By elmacaco Tue Mar 01, 2005 9:04 am
I convert them to mono, never had a phase problem, samples both at once, with 3 different samplers, I get the same sound I get on my speakers which have a stereo connection from the TT.

By ntalec Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:09 pm
EL,
remember most older records were really recorded so they have a sound field.
A lot of later stuff doesn't so that when you get into the left/right cancellation.

iMack,
no it doesn't mean you can't do it just that you have to listen closely to the results, especially on samplers with built in effects since a lot of them try to create a false stereo effect.

By elmacaco Tue Mar 01, 2005 6:22 pm
Since I go through a DJ mixer, I can pan the input signal to the sampler either way or keep in center.

I'll do some experiments.

By iMack Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:53 am
elmacaco wrote:I convert them to mono

How do you do that?

elmacaco wrote:Since I go through a DJ mixer, I can pan the input signal to the sampler either way or keep in center.

If you pan it left (for example), does it mean that I just can't hear the right channel or that the whole signal goes through the left channel?




ntalec, what is your sampling set-up? Do you use a DJ mixer or a dedicated phono preamp? What brand?

By ntalec Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:03 am
DJ mixers
Vestex 06 or Rane TTM54
(they sound different)

By iMack Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:11 am
Can you tell me how you have your gear connected?

Do you sample one channel at a time or do you use an adaptor (like the one I posted a link to) for 2 RCA cables into 1/4"? What turntable do you use?

By elmacaco Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:30 am
I convert to mono using a mono mono mono summing adapter.

The stereo out goes to the adapter from the mixer, since both signals are summed, the 60 only sees mono, but at the DJ mixer I can pan the signal going to the adapter, the 60 doesn't know or care what is going on, it always gets a mono signal, left or right or both added.

By iMack Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:24 am
Elmacaco, thanks for all your help so far. I have a couple more questions, if you don't mind.

"I convert to mono using a mono mono mono summing adapter."

I'm not sure what that is. Could you post a link to one of these adapters?

The other thing, you wrote that "both signals are summed". What does that mean?