monitors?

is it a good idea doin a track usin headphones? im thinkn maybe thats why some sounds sound louder than others? Does it make a big difference at all or not really? any1 else use haedphones?

dBd wrote:is it a good idea doin a track usin headphones? im thinkn maybe thats why some sounds sound louder than others? Does it make a big difference at all or not really? any1 else use haedphones?

Making the beat headphones are ok. But mixing and setting the levels, eq, pitch defininitely get some excellent monitors. Please check Newbie thread on this.

i only use headphones . no need for monitors
just use headphones and some cheap speakers
make it sound good on them and it will sound good on anything

yea I was asking myself this too, I just picked these up at Bestbuy for $20

Please check and research http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... s+monitors

I would suggest picking up Basic Home recording guides

You can use Headphones but it is better to use monitors.

Just a recommendation for everyone, GradoLabs SR 60 headphones about $70.00, I have AKG headphones that costed more but they don't have nearly as much detail, bass response or accuracy as the GradoLabs SR 60.

http://gradolabs.com/frameset_main.htm

headphones over-accentuate stereo panning,
and don't have anywhere NEAR the bass response of proper monitors.

If you are making "beat" orientated music,
you're a fool if you don't know what your bass drums sound like in anything but headphones.

you are not going to get a good mix with $20 headphones.


come on guys, you spent a couple of thousand on a beat machine.

now, it's time to finish the project, and get some good monitors.

Lord Toranaga wrote:you are not going to get a good mix with $20 headphones.


come on guys, you spent a couple of thousand on a beat machine.

now, it's time to finish the project, and get some good monitors.

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word up!

you cant say that $20 headphones are good. they're crap. music can sound different on every different type of speaker.
if you really want to hear what your music is sounding like then you have to spend the bucks... or at least know the right amount of bucks to spend. otherwise you will waste your time having to change your music over and over again because of the different sound on different speakers. at least with a good set of monitors, you know EXACTLY what sound is coming out, regardless of speaker quality.

Crap headphones = crap sound (even if it does sound good on those crappy old vintage ones we've all bought at one stage or another)

good monitors = good sound.

simple...

butterz1200 wrote:

Lord Toranaga wrote:you cant say that $20 headphones are good. they're ****. music can sound different on every different type of speaker.
if you really want to hear what your music is sounding like then you have to spend the bucks...

what about too good speakers?

... let me explain. i m bangin my 4k on a system which is not entirely mine. the speakers for example are not mine. they are from a mate who used to deejay in the past and has some massive hk active monitors system. the speakers could be used for big outdoor events. i use them in a cellar (speakers are set very low (around 15%)) i love em - their sound is phat and dope but sometimes i wonder how my sound would sound on a "normal" system. some other speakers i got in my bedroom are bass heavy too ... so things sound there nearly the same as on the huge ones here and i dont have any other comparison possibilities ... however - sometimes i think that if i push out a bassdrum or bass without doin much they sound phat already ... how to say: sometimes its difficult to understand whether the sound is just soo phat coz of the monitors or coz of me tweaking? ya get me? ....do too good/large monitors fake too much? and were i better of producin on smaller speakers? thanx for any coment ...

To those using headphones, do your ears a favor and get some monitors. you'll be squeeling with pain by the time your 30 years old with akufens (constant ringing in your ears) and you'll be like an old man trying to figure out what the fcuk people right in front of you are saying. the problem with ear problems is that it's so progressive that by the time you realise how much damage you've done, it's too late.

As feline said, the stereo imaging is falsed and the bass response is not accurate, so for all those trying to get that low end theory up to scratch, it's just not good enough.. .

mixing on large PA systems is also not such a good idea... sure you can reference from time to time to see if your mix sounds good on a fat system but the whole point of studio monitors is that they tend to have a flatter response curve. PA monitors and headphones usually cut the mids, so you tend to over emphasise them in the mix, the low and highs are boosted so you tend to cut them when mixing. the result is usually a dull mix, with no tops, no bass (or certainly a dull bass and kick) and loads of mids... of course, you only notice this if you cross reference on different speakers, but if you spend some cash on great gear to make great music, don't spare cash on the monitors, they should be one of you main purchases...

my favorites, dynaudio and genelec.... i'm waiting for a new pair of dynaudio's.... they **** rock..

peace

andy

thanx for the feedback ...much appreciated.

yeh thx deaf mute, thats some good info

but you can get good results with a good pair of headphones and some decent hifi speakers too
If my skills are good enough and my productions sound dope on my sound system, then I will consider buying monitors. Before that, I need to get my sh*t sounds right.

ikke wrote:but you can get good results with a good pair of headphones and some decent hifi speakers too
If my skills are good enough and my productions sound dope on my sound system, then I will consider buying monitors. Before that, I need to get my sh*t sounds right.

I totally agree, you can get good (subjective) results on a pair of headphones and a hi-fi system, but I can garantee that the sound you are mixing will sound very different once you put it on another system. so in a
sense, it defies the object of mixing. Just realize that if you start of and start sampling and tweaking all your sounds on the hi-fi, you may need to start over again once you get new speakers... that's what happened to me.

when you are doing a mix on a pair of studio monitors and you get to know them well, you are less likely to get nasty surprises when you move to a different system. I started mixing with dj headphones and I always found that the levels weren't the same when I transfered to a different sound system... shit, the bass is thin, oh that vocal is way lower than in my headphones, or damn, this mix sounds muddy on other systems.

ever since I invested in a good pair of studio monitors, I have never had this problem again. I used top come out of headphone sessions with my ears aching and not getting the results I wanted. my mixes rose to another level when I got new monitors. Mixing is about balancing levels, eq, panning effects etc. so if what your listening on falsifies this, you can only do so much....
as a lot of you have always said on this forum, if it sounds right, keep it.
that is only possible if what you are listening to is replicating properly. Try putting on some ear plugs and doing a mix.... you won't get very far cause what you're hearing is falsified by those plugs... do you see my point... I aint dissing, I'm just speaking from personal experience and beleive me, I wouldn't even bother with hi fi speakers any more.... or headphones for that matter.