how do they do it, its in like 100% of all hiphop tracks

they take a snare or a clap thats repeated so often in a song.. but put a slight variation to it ... for example

the beat is KICK - KICK - CLAP (the snare sounds thick and full)

and then the same beat repeats

KICK- KICK - CLAP (this time the snare isnt as thick/full and seems longer with an echoe)

what are they doing here????????? ive heared it in ALL TRAX if you pay close attention you'll hear the same sound , but slightly different to create a more rythmic feel to the track

firs off, your doing the right thing noticing differences like that. so take those techniques, and use them yourself....

Im sure they're using more then 1 different snare. I do it in pretty much all my tracks. their snare is probably layered. the most i've used before was 3 different snares. Just as an example, on one of my beats that snare you said has like a reverb on it or something, well i would use that either every 2nd snare or every 4th snare. it gives it more emotion on that particular snare its layered with.....

am i making sense???

but i like to use a thin snare, then layer it with a thick one so it hits harder. but im sure thats whats happening. they are using more then one snare. try it yourself, im sure you'll be pleased

also try it with you kicks. try layering a normal kick with an 808 kick and see how you like it. 808's naturally thump, so you can layer that with just about anything

Well, it can be a variation in the sequencing that happened by accident, but on the MPC you can go into step edit and change the velocity of each one to change the mix of the layer on every hit or on whichever hits you want.

all about your durations- make your snares note-off meaning you have to hold it down to have the whole snare play- put a decay of say 5-10 on it...

then in step edit set the duration of the first snare to say 20 (for example) and the second to 24- the second one will last longer

greg

you could take one ,big sounding, snare hit. Put it on four seperate pads of a drum program. Edit the adsr envelopes differently for each pad. Then just play a diferent drum sound where you want in the sequence.

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Lord Toranaga wrote:you could take one ,big sounding, snare hit. Put it on four seperate pads of a drum program. Edit the adsr envelopes differently for each pad. Then just play a diferent drum sound where you want in the sequence.

That's the direction I usually take. All of these tips are great and work wonders for breaking up that monotony even with different samples than just a snare..

try running your snare/claps through a compressor! and mess wih the atack/release on the compressor

Or you can do what they do (producers). The thickness is several tracks layerd. Say wood block (not too lound just enough to give the pop sound), tight snare (for body), clap and Finger snap. Depending on your mix (tight snare on the bottom end on blend). You can get the variation you are looking for by removing the tight snare on every 3rd or 4th strike.
Try it out guys and let me know what you think.

yea if you follow rons tip and also set the velocity to filter or attack (or both) differently for each sample of the layer the sound will change with every slight change in velocity although the volume will stay roughly the same...

greg

You can also look at non-sample based sounds (analogue drum machines). These will also give you natural variations and often on a more subtle level. Example: no two 808 snares will ever be the same. Despite the subtlety these small variations hold the listeners attention and reduce fatigue.

NauticaICE wrote:

the beat is KICK - KICK - CLAP (the snare sounds thick and full)

and then the same beat repeats

KICK- KICK - CLAP (this time the snare isnt as thick/full and seems longer with an echoe)

I've noticed that sometimes they haven't done anything except the second time the snare/clap hits, there's no other samples playing to cover the reverb therefore it's noticable f.ex Dr. Dre's Watcher and Poppin Them Thangs beats. It's all about the arrangement. peace!

^^^^true

but rza does it alot.

also try sampling the same snare off a record in two differant spots in the song.

Slight and subtle variations are always good, they subconciously make everything more lively