Today I Pick up my 60

i second that. more of my boys are into keyboard beats and always bust my balls on why i spend so much time on tweaking/editing samples. i guess they just dont get it. i mean, i respect the people who play their shit$ out, but it just doesnt feel right to me for that boombap. sometimes i do wish for a keyboard, but fock it, ill just stick to what i have for now

edit: oh yeah the sampling section is a bit lacking. had a s900 but looking for a better rack sampler at the moment

drumat!c wrote:The MPC-60 commands attention to details, like where you truncate your samples and how they loop and record them into your sampler. You forcibly pay more attention to filtering sounds and consider your remaining sample time....and a whole slew of other regards. For instance, you might find yourself to be more limited but it will encourage you to be that much more creative.

word up. I feel the same way, that's why i asked. I got my head buried so deep in vinyl that i don't come up for air and consider that you could use other things that you don't sample. But i'll stick to sampling for now and probably forever. the possibilities are nowhere near exhausted.

i have a question about this sample that i can't get to loop right. when i try 2 bars it's too short and when i try 3 bars it's a couple clicks of the metronome too long so there's a couple clicks of silence before it loops back to one.

i've truncated it so it loops perfectly when i loop it manually, like when i hit the pad again at the end point but i'm not sure how many bars it is exactly. cuz i'm just listening to the sound and beat in my head, not the metronome. i think it is maybe like 2-1/2 bars possibly.

is there a way to set your bars in halfs?

i just can't get it to loop right. do you guys ever experience this problem with incomplete bar-counts on samples? i've tried truncating it at different points but i believe i have the start/end points where i want them to be and even when i try different points i still can't get it to loop on time.

i think what i might need is a sustain effect to hold that last note of the sample for another 1, 2, or 3 clicks and i can't do this with my 60. i'm really considering getting the s950. this would maybe solve my problem, no?

i've tried using the attack and decay functions but those aren't really helping.

Just change the tempo of the sequence so it fits, if it's longer than two bars, slow down the tempo, if it's shorter, speed up the tempo, once you have it locked then continue with your beat.

I usually set quantize to 8th notes and start the sample on the 1, then change the tempo until it loops perfect.

You can also step edit exactly on the one which is the easiest to do, little to no room for human timing error.

Also, I know the 60 does not have it and neither does my 3000, but you are aware of timestretching right? You also know that pitch shifting (available on the 60 and 3000) will change the length of your sample right?

MaZe

thanks, guys. i know about timestretch, and i've got my quantize at 16th notes, 4/4 timing.

i think the tempo is what i need to fix. it's hard to put my finger on it, though. it's either way too fast (for my taste) or too slow where it doesn't match correctly. maybe swing is something i need to read about more cuz i can imagine this beat being kinda 'off' in relation to the sample.

here's my method of doing things right now:

1) set start/end points to where i think they should be
2) hit pad and work with tap tempo to get them to match
3) record track 1 (sample) on track 1
4) record drums on track 2

i have successfully matched a few 2 to 4 bar loops with my drums in recent weeks but this one has got me struggling. maybe i don't have my truncation right. i'll play around with it a bit more tonight and mess with BPMs and tuning.

but what about the sustain effect? i bet that'd work, right? or, also on the s950, i think the looping function would work similar to another thread you guys were discussing last week. like have just the end notes loop on themselves to sustain. i know the sp1200 does this. here, this is what i'm after:

http://samplekings.com/skings_tips.htm

all the way at the bottom, check that 'looping' video clip on the sp1200.

cuz on this sample that i'm tryin to loop, the last note is only one click (give or take) and then it quickly changes to some vocals and/or loud crescendo when i really just want that last section to loop (or sustain?) onto itself, then start back into the fresh groove from the beginning. know what i'm sayin?

sustain loops won't really be as cool as you think, The best thing to do is not step edit, because the durration won't corelate, if you speed up the tempo, then the duration will change, not the numbers, but how long the sample is.

Just set it to 8th notes, hit it on the one, then hold it until the end, you don't even need to record it, just get close to the right tempo first, then record it and fine tune the BPM. If the sample goes silent, then go to step edit and increase or decrease the duration as needed. Then add your drums.

I find it much easier to do the looped sample first then add the drums, because changing the bpm on drum beats doesn't always work out well, your drums must match the loop.

Also to Maze's statement, the 60 doesn't have pitch shift, pitch shift changes the pitch without changing the duration, the 60 has tuning, which speeds up or slows down the sample and changes the pitch that way.

I think only the 4000 and maybe the 1000 has pitch shift, but it's not real time, so it's pretty annoying to use, unlike on the SP 303 where you just grab a knob and get it right.

Once you figure it out looping stuff in the sequence will be really quick and easy. I have rack samplers that loop but I prefer doing it in the sequence because it is easier to match the tempo of the sample to the sequence BPM cuz you can hear the silence gap or overlap much easier than the loop starting over.

spen wrote:well here's 2 i did back on fruityloops..

http://www.waxacademics.com/goldyn_chyld.mp3
remake of the ras kass track by premier

http://www.waxacademics.com/big_l_-_mvp_remix.mp3
big l remix

Wow that beat was tight.