MPC 2500

Windy_City_Hawk wrote:The problem with building an MPC aimed at MPC users is that Akai would never really gain any NEW customers.

That's like saying you shouldn't build a car that is aimed at car drivers because they already have cars. Should Akai just stop making MPCs?

There will be new kids turning 16 and choosing to spend their birthday money on hardware or software. Some will buy Reason or Live, some will get a GrooveBox, and some will get an MPC. There will be cats switching over from software to hardware. There will be DJs getting into beat making. There will be cats upgrading their MPC. The better they make the next MPC, the more people will buy it.

And if you're saying Akai should compete with software by releasing products that are more like software, I disagree. In my opinion they should focus on the ways the MPC differs from software. THAT is their unique selling points, and it will be for a long time.

With expensive music equipment there is a real big used market, and Akai suffers from this more than anything! If they used there limited resources to put out an MPC that modeled old machines do you really think they would sell alot of them?

Provided they did it right, yes I would. In fact, that's exactly what I've been saying.

Most people would rather have the REAL thing, and just hit e-Bay to get a used SP1200, MPC60, or MPC3000!

Would they? I guess that's why NO-ONE is buying virtual analog synths or softsynths... You're probably not far off by saying many people would rather have a Jupiter 8 than a Nord Lead, but that hasn't been a problem for Clavia. Or the other VA manufacturers.
Modern emulations of vintage gear will not replace vintage, and they won't convince everyone. But there IS a huge market for them. If that weren't true, why have virtual analog synths been the biggest market for synths since 1997? Every VA or softsynth out there emulates vintage analog hardware, and even though for some they don't cut it, you can't say no-one is buying them.

adrian wrote:MPC 2500? You guys have no idea. Do you?
Adrian
FWTX

No we don't. The MPC2500 is hardly even a faint hint of a rumour. So we started speculating about what WE would like the next MPC to be like. What's the problem?

I have a friend who worked for yamaha who told them they should include all their old digital gear in their new shit since it's just code and they have all the work one, they didn't listen until later when they released their plug in cards for the DX series and such,

I have one MPC 60 and it is more than enough MPC for me. Yall really don't know what you are talking about save a few of you, and I mean few.

Appreciate what you mhave and stop wasting time.

Ya bastards!

what i would love to see in the mpc 2500, would be faster load times in zoning screen, and variable bit and sample rate at the in and outputs, like what battery by native instruments does, tht way you get the best of both worlds, and some kind of way for the mp to "talk " to the pc. and i am more than happy, if i could just get away from tht wait time when the sample is loading
i dont want it any bigger or smaller, i dont even want a bigger screen, it just want to work faster. to keep the creativity going.

look at how focusrite has thier liquid edition outboard gear, configured, software driiven application in a stand alone box.

it seems mpc3000 is a beta tester, for akai, he just dont bullsh1t

elmacaco wrote:Appreciate what you mhave and stop wasting time.

I said a few posts back that I'm more than happy with my 2kXL/SP1200 combo. But I love wasting time here when I'm having my coffee in the morning.

skalawa wrote:what i would love to see in the mpc 2500, would be faster load times in zoning screen, and variable bit and sample rate at the in and outputs, like what battery by native instruments does, tht way you get the best of both worlds, and some kind of way for the mp to "talk " to the pc. and i am more than happy, if i could just get away from tht wait time when the sample is loading
i dont want it any bigger or smaller, i dont even want a bigger screen, it just want to work faster. to keep the creativity going.

Word. I wouldn't like to see a million more features, but I'd love everything to be faster - screen draws, load times, timestretch, resampling, computer communication...

mpc3000 wrote:The MPC2500 is a 24/96 machine based on the hardware of the MPC1000. It will replace the MPC2000XL in the product lineup.

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mpc3000 wrote:
You really do not want to "date" your raw samples. These are your basic building blocks of creation for years to come. In 5 years who will want to listen to something that sounds like it was recorded on antique equipment. Sure you may get by now, but why take the chance?

This is certainly a confusing statement, since samples being dated simply by sounding like they are from older equipment has never occurred. The only way samples will sound dated is if you are using dated techniques, not equipment. For example, there is a huge difference in the sound and style of Gang Starr's "Step in the Arena" and Mos Def's "Ms. Fatbooty," which were recorded 10 years apart. They were both made on an MPC 60 and both songs come from different schools of hip-hop. "Ms. Fatbooty" did not sound dated when it came out, simply because it was made on a 60, a then 10 year old machine. On the contrary, the track was a trailblazer, while simultaneously paying respect to previously established techniques/schools.

It's how you make the ish and what else you do to it in the studio that makes it sound current. It won't sound dated after you in the big studio. Just make it hot on whatever you got. A dope beat is a dope beat.

92accordlxtuner wrote:eh, software and computers have any new MPC commin out beat...im not excited...not even a lil...

owning an MPC is more like having cool vintage gear around......like a ASR-10 or a old Fender Rhodes.

The stuff out nowadays on Mac/PC blows the good ol' beat box away.

Hope you're making soundtracks for Japanimation flicks then. The street don't wanna hear that sh*t.

"5. CD-RW/CD-R or DVD-RW/DVD-R or CD-RW/CD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-R"



hmmm....sounds tight

I d like the 4 midi outputs, USB port and software to connect the mpc with a computer.

Smoove03 wrote:"5. CD-RW/CD-R or DVD-RW/DVD-R or CD-RW/CD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-R

I would NOT like such a feature... Why not? Because it makes a lot of noise. Plus moving parts break down much quicker than non-moving parts.

Of course a cd drive does not make any noise whatsoever if it's not used. But why add a costly cd drive when you have USB connection to your PC/Mac?

"But why add a costly cd drive when you have USB connection to your PC/Mac?"

1.What PC/Mac? Aren't you making a gross assumption that everyone is *just like you* and uses a PC/Mac in production?

2. Aren't you making a gross assumption that everyone parks the equipment in one room an leaves it? When I travel, should I carry along a $1000 DVD burner in the form a full computer system just so I can back up some work?

3. How long do you expect to be able to buy computers with USB? In 5,10,20 years when USB is an "ancient" as SCSI and you can't even find the correct cable, what are you going to do?

4. All USB device require a driver and/or supporting apps. Who is going to write the USB driver for the next 8 versions of windows or MacOS?

I would much rather prefer something that is self contained and does not rely on any external interface to fulfill any of the advertised duties.

I wouldn't want a CD/DVD burner in my MPC. I don't know, it would just make it too much like a computer. I don't want to have too many moving parts in my MPC. Plus standard CD/DVD burners big and noisy compared to cardreaders. I don't want all that mess in my MPC just to make a few backups.

I'd be happy if the next MPC just had a cardreader like the one I just installed in my MPC2000XL. Cards are gettin bigger, cheaper and faster all the time; CF cards go up to 8GB now, wait how big they get in 2 years... 16GB? 32GB? Who knows?

No moving parts means both the cards and the readers will last a very, VERY long time, and they are very reliable. I also think the technology itself will be around for a while.

Plus, if the next MPC has a CD/DVD burner, it would still need something like a card reader to have some sort of removable, rewritable storage (I wouldn't trust ReWritable CDs). Then you'd pay for TWO drives, and have TWO types of media to deal with. Messy and unneccesary.

And even if you don't have a computer, you could back up to an extra card; 2 cards of 1 or 2 GB each will last you a long time on the road. Visit a friend who does have a computer every 6 months to burn some DvDs. Or if you really hate computers, get some more cards; my guess is 1GB cards will be about $30 next year. And by the time you've filled that one you can get a 4GB card for $30... Remember how much you used to spend on Zip disks?

mpc3000 wrote:"But why add a costly cd drive when you have USB connection to your PC/Mac?"

1.What PC/Mac? Aren't you making a gross assumption that everyone is *just like you* and uses a PC/Mac in production?

2. Aren't you making a gross assumption that everyone parks the equipment in one room an leaves it? When I travel, should I carry along a $1000 DVD burner in the form a full computer system just so I can back up some work?

Like Lo-Fi said, You can easely use memory cards for backup, certainly in the future. I consider moving parts as a no-no. The less it moves the less noise it makes, and the more reliable the whole thing is.

A USB or firewire (whatever) is handy. Everyone who uses a computer for editing etc will know how fast drag&drop works. And if you don't use it, fine.

According to rumors, Elektron just announced a UW (users wave) machinedrum with 12 bits sampling...

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