MPC1000... and the lack of MTC sync..

Hi y'all (you too jellyjim...)

Im completely new here and dont even own an MPC...

but before you all drag me outside and throw a rope around the nearest tree just hear me out, for gods sake at least hear me out!!

im thinking seriously about getting the MPC 1000. the features it has versus what it doesnt have versus the price compared to other MPCs seems to indicate that its the one for me, plus people seem to generally rave about it as much or more than some of the other MPCs...

BUT! its missing one thing which I reckon I might not be able to do without, it cant sync to MTC!! I would want to use this with my DAW, running cubase SX. theres no way i can see sequencing everything from the MPC , i use some soft synths / sanmplers, or just regular audio on the arrange page in Cubase and i would definitely NEED to sync up Cubase with the MPC, preferably with teh MPC as master since it has the really great timing, or so you all tell me

SO! anybody working round that problem at the moment??? is it a big deal? i cant see how id get around that. I have read that using standard midi clock is not a good idea and is jittery at best. So how the hell would i sync my mp1k to cubase SX if i go out and buy it??

thanks
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it doesn't have MTC but it has midi clock. I don't think cubase can be slave and MPC as the master. But i do know that cubase sends out midi clock which means that the MPC can be slaved as cubases master. So it can work there are a few people here that use cubase as a master for the 1k, just look around

I use cubase and mpc 1k, but I don't sync them up. I use the mpc 1k as my master sequencer. I load whatever softsynths/vst's that I wanna use in cubase and set the corresponding midi channels. Then play my melodies with my midi controller and record using the mpc 1k sequencer. You could look at it as my big ass sound module. Then when I'm finished I bounce my tracks to audio in cubase. Then I mixdown. I don't use the midi sync.

so you dont have audio tracks on the go in cubase at the same time as your MPC is running...
otherwise youve got to have a way of them all communicating in sync.

the way youre doing it is youre MPC send out midi note on/offs to teh VSTis which play when they receive the command at the computers midi in right?... Then wehn youre ready with the beat you record everything in and go with audio from there on in cubase. correct??

just trying to get a handle on what youre saying... if that is the case then it wont work for me. i'll need to play cubase audio back in sync with the MPC running a beat...
works for you though so good luck with it...
thanks
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DoeZer wrote:so you dont have audio tracks on the go in cubase at the same time as your MPC is running...
otherwise youve got to have a way of them all communicating in sync.

the way youre doing it is youre MPC send out midi note on/offs to teh VSTis which play when they receive the command at the computers midi in right?... Then wehn youre ready with the beat you record everything in and go with audio from there on in cubase. correct??

just trying to get a handle on what youre saying... if that is the case then it wont work for me. i'll need to play cubase audio back in sync with the MPC running a beat...
works for you though so good luck with it...
thanks
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Well yeah.. if you need to work with an audio track in cubase, you're going to have to sync it. I've done it once that way with an acapella using midi clock. The mpc is going to have to be the slave. You can still record tracks into the the mpc though. You have to hold overdub on the mpc 1k then press play on cubase. Yeah MTC is better but midi clock still works.

i do it the way jiggsaw was saying

i hate this method of working tho it wastes alot of time, i just never got the sunc thing working. definitely wish it had MTC because this works differently with Nuendo. but i can't really complain cuz I never even got the MIDI clock happening.

I use mpc1000 with cubaseSX2 and it syncs no problem. MPC is slave and cubase as master...you can dump all your tracks in one at a time using track mute or track them all in using 6 outputs. I use it all the time and it works fine for me...never had a problem with jitter or lost timing. It actually works pretty good...arm track in cubase...mute or solo the track you want to record on mpc and press record+play in cubase...done.

now THATS what I like to hear....

thanks Sumedho... nice to hear someone's got that nailed...
I was thinking that to sync MPC as slave with cubase as master on midi clock would have to be possible surely!!! to hear youre doing it 'jitter free' and with Cubase SX is all i need to know...

anyone else

cheers
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I tend to have a problem with really fast, running hi-hats. Other than that, everything else sync fine.

sumedho nailed it. this is what I do as well.

so if u slave mpc to cubase, are u using the mpc sequencer or the cubase sequencer?

if it's cubase, why would u do that becuz isn't the mpc the better sequencer?

you are using cubase's sequencer. and in my opinion, cubase's seq is better for what it does. when you slave the mpc to any seq, it's mainly to track out your mpc seq so you can add vocals, further tweek, add other instruments, (just complete the song)

I've been slaving my MPC to Cubase SX through midi clock for a while now and I've never had any timing issues at all. it works just as it should, and that was on a slow PC

but if you slave the mpc doesn't that defeat the purpose of using the mpc since its used because it's sequencer is so tight?

why wouldn't u just make the tracks in cubase in the first place then and eliminate the mpc?

just wondering

no it doesn't defeat the purpose since you can stop cubase, set your drums up on the mpc exactly with the sequence setting you want. Then press play on your cubase which will have your vocal synced with your mpc. They will play exactly as you put them in.

I use the same method as sumedho