jus BLAZE SPEAKS ON FRUITY LOOPS (video) - Fixed

People forget that the MPC IS just a small computer running software shoved into a beige box.
It's got a keypad, screen, operating system, RAM......sound familliar?

I started making beats on Fruity loops. Its a dope program if you take the time to learn how to use it. It has everything built in except a sampler. (well the version I had didnt) 9th wonder shows how good of a program it is. But the Mpc is better to me cuz drums sound too stiff in fruity loops.

But how come cats don't want to pay dues? Buy turntables. Buy records. Learn some fundamentals. Be able to actually scratch with real vinyl on their production. Have genuine sources to draw sounds for your production from. Hey, it's great a few cats can cut corners and go right to the top because they knew the right people and got endorsements early on...but c'mon now!! For me, it's the struggle of ten+ years work that give me the insight and flexibility to do what I do, not a computer program. That only came into the picture for me fairly recently anyway...and it didn't stop me from making records or creating songs when I didn't use one.

As I always state in these types of debates, THERE WILL BE EXCEPTIONS. Some people are naturally gifted. I would feel different if more cats took on music theory or learned an instrument. But software, hardware (samplers), etc. are NOT a career path. True dues must be paid for opportunities to present themselves most of the time. I feel the same way about Korg Tritons. Great piece of gear capability-wise, but cats put too much on it. Reminds me of the time some clown Triton owner came through saw my MPC2000, said 'wow the MPC that sh** is tight, what sounds does it come with??' I said none you have to put sounds in it. To which this dude said 'aww, that's weak!'. No, I'm afraid relying on premade products, sound libraries, and handouts to give you capability is the official definition of weak. To each their own or whatever, but some of these cats are no more producers than cats that got their whole rapper steez from '8-mile' are real emcees. Final thought: You ain't gonna make great sounding records like they did in the 60's-80's with any stand alone computer program.

L. Tombstone wrote:You ain't gonna make great sounding records like they did in the 60's-80's with any stand alone computer program.

Funny you should say that cuz cats that made that great music would probably say the same thing about cats usin MPC's to make music now.

I know they do, know some that do. Even veteran engineers got a lot under their belt that's unheard of. I don't even consider electronic production on the same level of actually being able to play an instrument or get down with a good band.

Cats just want the easy way to go, it sucks though, aspiring guitar players look up to pioneers, they don't look to replace them with a third the work put in. I know Imma get crickets on this one, but I don't give a f*** I ain't lying.

I'm reading and I realized something. Some of you are just a bunch of spoiled FN brats. You have parents or blessed enough to buy a new toy and now you want to speak bad about what someone else uses. PS2 ain't wack just because you got a game cube. They both have good games. Fruity-loops has proved that it can make good music, but because you have an MPC it has to be wack. FL sound quality is bad? but then you want to spend $1000+ on an SP-1200 for it's lo-fi gritty sound! Phuck an SP-12, it not EXACTLY like the SP, you MUST have the SP-1200. This is about music, not bragging rights. FL is wack because it's software on a computer ?..but the MPC (which is a dedicated computer) is cool. Get that shiz outa here! No-one can tell the difference, just the same way, no-one knew 9th used fruity loops to create music that had your heads noddin for the past few years.
So you got an MPC... now you look cool when your friends come by. So what? Beats are still wack...but it looks 'so' good in your bedroom
If someone can make an instrument sound good, don't knock the gear... especially when it can make music better than you can do. 9th's tracks are amazing.. how can you still be ingorant!
Stop that dumbness.

Smerzmega wrote:But the Mpc is better to me cuz drums sound too stiff in fruity loops.

wrong, you just program your drums stiff when using FL.

Piano roll, midi controller, snap off. infinite resolution. drums go wherever you program them, loose/stiff, its you.

I never said he's wack, I said he got all this hype because people think he uses weak gear (FL and Laptop) but I said it's not weak, but these ignant producers think it's crazy that he does it with a computer cuz they got a guy they hire just to use a computer.

L. Tombstone wrote:But how come cats don't want to pay dues? Buy turntables. Buy records. Learn some fundamentals. Be able to actually scratch with real vinyl on their production. Have genuine sources to draw sounds for your production from. Hey, it's great a few cats can cut corners and go right to the top because they knew the right people and got endorsements early on...but c'mon now!! For me, it's the struggle of ten+ years work that give me the insight and flexibility to do what I do, not a computer program. That only came into the picture for me fairly recently anyway...and it didn't stop me from making records or creating songs when I didn't use one.

As I always state in these types of debates, THERE WILL BE EXCEPTIONS. Some people are naturally gifted. I would feel different if more cats took on music theory or learned an instrument. But software, hardware (samplers), etc. are NOT a career path. True dues must be paid for opportunities to present themselves most of the time. I feel the same way about Korg Tritons. Great piece of gear capability-wise, but cats put too much on it. Reminds me of the time some clown Triton owner came through saw my MPC2000, said 'wow the MPC that sh** is tight, what sounds does it come with??' I said none you have to put sounds in it. To which this dude said 'aww, that's weak!'. No, I'm afraid relying on premade products, sound libraries, and handouts to give you capability is the official definition of weak. To each their own or whatever, but some of these cats are no more producers than cats that got their whole rapper steez from '8-mile' are real emcees. Final thought: You ain't gonna make great sounding records like they did in the 60's-80's with any stand alone computer program.

The mpc is a computer itself first all (with ram, and operating system, disk drives, etc).

"All that computer sh** is cool.....But how come cats don't want to pay dues?"

Yo man, some of us cats...we are still here, we are still payin dues, we are still buyin records, we are still cuttin for 6 hours straight a day when time permits. dont even trip on that. i still cut daily, check my soundclick page for the rasco remix, those are my cuts. I love to skratch first and foremost, thats my first love.

"For me, it's the struggle of ten+ years work that give me the insight and flexibility to do what I do, not a computer program."
You probably didnt mean it that way but I get a lot of flack from hardware users who assume I take the "easy road out" by using my pc, but when you break it down, I'm still diggin, choppin, triggerin, and sequencing, just like someone on a sp-1200 or an mpc. The computer isnt doing anything more for me then your mpc does for you, thats for sure. So i'm not sure what you meant by that. Maybe you saw some kid randomly clickin his mouse with some weak ass shit, but thats not me.

Lotta times cats are like "yo all u did was download some shit, u never worked for shit like us", but in fact, i paid for my tables, my wax, my laptop, my akai pads, my interface, software, etc etc. **** that, i know about payin dues, i know about eatin ramen and payin off your boy every check you get for a 500 dollar audio interface, mowin lawns in order to get moms to give u a ride to fat beats to cop wax. all that shit., i been there, still there, its just not an mpc. I know how you feel.

At the same time, there are so many cats who dont. I know the ones you speak on. BUT, its always the wack kids on software that get blamed, and the wack ass kids who had mommy buy an mpc 4000 dont seem to get checked. Whether its an mpc 4000, or a kid on a laptop, dues are merely dues. If you're wack, then you're wack.

Sure, lil jimmy may choose to think hes hard cuz he loaded some preset sounds into FL and made a beat in 5 minutes. But that doesnt put us all in his place, like i said before, i cant speak for everyone, BUT I* am still diggin wax, still samplin/choppin (cool edit/soundforge), still triggerin shit with pads and keys (akai pads and 49 key controller), still sequencin' (FL), still boom bap, still hiphop.

I feel you on learning more instruments, thats why I still cut daily, and make tracks with nothin but turntables being used. I even mess around learnin a few chords on my guitar, in addition to learnin some shit on my keyboard. its all about expanding. its funny, cuz whenever hardware cats come at me about usin what I use, i just say "if you're so into 'keepin it real', trash that mpc/sp1200/whatever and go buy a drum set and an upright bass, etc.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/1/jaeone3345music.htm

i think people dove into what just blaze said a little too much and the hate juice is just dripping. the dude said u dont need millions of dollars of equipment to make music. can we all agree this is true??? and then went on to explain not to heads already doing music. (thats us) but to somebody who might be considering getting into production like dont look at my studio and think u need all of this, 9th wonder does it with a $99 dollar program. I dont understand how this turned into a fruity loops, and 9th wonder isnt that great thread

I would like the see someone flip r.kelly's womens threat with an mpc and a korg triton and see if you can do it better than 9th.

roxstar wrote:9th's tracks are amazing.. how can you still be ingorant!
Stop that dumbness.

ok now iam intrested 2 hear sh!t from 9. post up his full name sum1 please. who has he been producing for?
seems like alot of people r into rubbish and label it gold. he uses fruity only yeh? no mastering/engenieers? iam gonna judge his shit.

and the truth is, it comes down to wat u like working wiv. me, ive studyed computers for 4 years now and iam kinda sik of them. therefore i dont want it 2 b my main tool. the idea of working 50 buttons and knobbs with just a mouse just dosent do it for me.

Who uses millions of dollars worth of equipment?

you could get a big neve board, best protools out there, a 24 channel 2 inch machine, and an MPC and a whole bunch of synths and still not touch a quarter of a million. Even just blaze doesn't have a million dollars worth of gear.

Thousands, that's what gear typically costs, a laptop and FL can be under a G if you get an old laptop. But I bet he's got a dope laptop anyhow.

millions of dollars, was a figure of speech some of u guys really go to deep into stuff so small.

Just make beats, who cares what the next man says. I'll clown fools with a rock and a stick.

I think some folks are mad cuz they spent thousands of dollars on their studio making wack ass Dre/Neptunes/Timbo clone tracks and here comes 9th Wonder with his $99 program and kills it.

A million dollars can buy a gang load of gear but it wont do a damn thing for your skills.