MPC 2KXL 16 Levels of Tuning Vs. Roland VP 9000

do these 2 compare. i.e. does the 16 levels give you 16 perfectly keyed notes?

As I understand the VP 9000/VariOS (I was looking at the VP 9K initially) can do similar things, just wondered if was getting the VP for that feature?

"As I understand the VP 9000/VariOS"

How do you understand the 16 level on the MPC?

well you wack a sample in and it gives you 16 notes uip or down a scale from that orginal sample

I don't know if thats what you're loking for, however, MPC2000XL's manual page 22:
by using the 16 levels fonction, you can play a sound in 16 parameter level of velocity, tone, attack, decay, or filter

Notice tht you can not trigger the sounds (16) via midi>> you can control the sounds only via the pads.

But to compare with the VP9000 I will rather think of the chromatic assign of the MPC (not on 60 & 3K) that allow you to spread one sample over the all board...

Kilowax wrote:
But to compare with the VP9000 I will rather think of the chromatic assign of the MPC (not on 60 & 3K) that allow you to spread one sample over the all board...

cheers chap, I'll have a look for that, if I can find it in the manual

Fooking MPC manual needs an index

the average man wrote:
cheers chap, I'll have a look for that, if I can find it in the manual

Fooking MPC manual needs an index

Actually the table of contents works well for the 2000.

What the VP does and what the 2000 do are not similar at all, if you are talking about the 16-levels.
The whole aspect of the Variphrase technology is more along the lines of Ableton LIVE.
The 16-note thing that the 2000 does is pretty much what every real sampler does;
assign multiple turnings (or velocity, attack, decay, etc) of a sample to a keyspan or the pads in the xl case (chronomatically).
Complete with whatever artifacts are created from trying to vary the pitch of the sample.
The closes you get to the Variphrase is the time compression/expansion.
The VP technology like most time compression type processes is far from perfect and the unit lacks many features found on typical samplers.

I do not say VP & MPC are similar... far from tht...
Two differents machines in all point. Average M. keep in mind that the MPC is a DRUM MACHINE, really not an avanced sampler...

which one do you already own? the MP or the VP?

Kilowax wrote:I do not say VP & MPC are similar... far from tht...
Two differents machines in all point. Average M. keep in mind that the MPC is a DRUM MACHINE, really not an avanced sampler...

which one do you already own? the MP or the VP?

I own both and was actually talking to "the average man" since he asked did they compare.
Wasn't poking at you Kilo.
The VP is a specialty box and far from a full featured rackmount sampler.
It would be hard to own the VP as your only sampler.
The MPC is closer to a full featured unit than the VP.
You can't even use samples in the VP without "Encoding" them.

"The MPC is closer to a full featured unit than the VP. "
AFA we talk bout a sampling/drum machine (XL)...

Kilowax wrote:"The MPC is closer to a full featured unit than the VP. "
AFA we talk bout a sampling/drum machine (XL)...

Hey kilo it's crazy.
Roland put all the design into making the Variphrase technology work and then threw a minimal feature set along with it.
The VariOS and the V-Synth are definitely a better route to go to get into Variophrase and to think the VP came out originally at $3k.

I m not bout the VP noway... I've tried the V-SynthXT, and it seems to be a more powerfull tool, but not for me neither!

I was just trying to telll the average to look at the MPC style more's classic sampler.
I don't think of the mp as an advanced sampler (XL models), as its more a percussion's one. If what the average man is looking at is, "spread note over a board", I would suggest a rackmount sampler not an MP. Despite the fact tht you always can do a Pgm tht allow your XL to act like a GM keyboard, I use an ASR for tht...
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Don't get me wrong the VP is a heavy hitter, but it's a well defined piece of equipment that doesn't move outside of it's designed aspect.
Notice Roland called it a processor not a sampler?

I guess to answer the average man original question about "16 perfectly keyed notes",
Not without multi-sampling

So we both do answer him, as he was also on the
"well you wack a sample in and it gives you 16 notes uip or down a scale from that orginal sample" side...

Peace