VST vs Motif

signal to noise ratio

VSTs have none....end of story

Flossmodeceo uses simple wavs, so they can be loaded into any hardware, software sampler. Can't personally vouch for the guy, but i personally heard very good things about his Triton and Motif libraries particularly. And a Juno Vst? Never heard of that either. I'm seriously thinking about copping the juno d because the sounds are some of the most tremendous I've ever heard. Easily kills my Motif hands down. The only problem is like every other synth, it only comes in 61 keys, and I'm really trying to learn piano. I'm really worried about the unweighted keys. Oh well, I guess no stride piano for me.....Maybe.

No Juno VST??? well I have the flowers thing on my computer.

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you also need to download winrar to open the file

you are welcome biotches

He was talking about Juno-D ,stupid.

its all the same a synth is a synth but if you are one of the people that only rely on pre-sets and dont know how to work a synth, then by all means go bend over for the ass flowers

AWW_NAWW wrote:its all the same a synth is a synth

Stupid,Juno-D is a ROMpler and your JunoX2 is a remake of the last ANALOG Roland synth AlphaJuno, famous for his hoover sound.Now,try to program hoover on your JunoX2 or any other synth.Synth is a synth,how stupid is that.

AWW_NAWW wrote:signal to noise ratio

VSTs have none....end of story

Have you ever heard of S/PDIF

With the Motif you can use ISS, and record whats playing save it to rom, and send to the PC through USB...no noise

If you use the analog outs on your soundcard/interface VSTS do have noise.

VSTs DO NOT HAVE NOISE UNLESS ITS PART OF THE EFFECT OF THE SOUND. THATS STUPID TO SAY THEY DO BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS CREATED INSIDE OF THE COMPUTER ITS ALL SELF CONTAINED.

YOU KNOW WAHT I GOT MY SHIT ON LOCK!! YOU GEAR WHORES AND REDUNDENT DUMB flowers CAN DO WHAT EVER THE FUC YOU WANT. MY SHYTS WORKIN AND YALL RUNNIN AROUND IN CIRCLES

PEACERRRR!!!

Thats what i was looking at..FLEXABILITY!!! and new sounds!! instead of hardware stacking up in the studio and getting out dated!!

IE wrote:i use both ewql's colossus (vsti) and a motif es rack, but if i were you i'd go vst. you'd have better flexibility, like if you wanted to get new sounds.

Using the MPC 4000 as a synth is also an option, but I am not sure if you can tweek the sounds like you can by using the flossmodeceo type cd roms in The MPC..for example, with the VST you can assign midi control numbers to your midi key control and use the assigned knobs and sliders to tweek the insturments in real time on the controller(it is like using a Juno 106 to tweek a bass patch on the fly)...Not sure if you can do the same type/amount of tweeking on an insturment if you use it in the MPC+assign the knobs on the midi controller to do that..It seems limited, unless there is some other functions in the MPC that I have looked over, and havent got to yet..I mean yeah you got the motif guitar patch, but can you tweek it like you have the motif keyboard sliders and knobs..

cyrus wrote:no offense to any vst people. But if you got an mpc4000, use it to its fullest, **** vsts.............atleast until you give your mpc a try.

I think if you cant decide, try everything out. Whats a multisample cd cost? $99 for one thats got multiple kinds of instruments, pop it into your mpc. How much for a vst? you can find some freeware ones....or find a freind whos got one-granted, it might not compare to the good ones you can buy, but atleast try it to get things working.

Try the **** out, decide after that!

Atleast just try to get a vst working with protools. You might not like protools, or it might not be the best to work with vsts..........but alteast try itout, cause you might end up not even liking vsts to begin with.

I admit. Im not a vst user, nor a heavy computer user (as far as sequencing and synths go) but I still think its appropriate to use your gear to the fullest no matter what you use. If you have protools, and an mpc4000, use it.

peace.

By the way, are any of you VST users using protools, logic, reason, etc... with your MPC and VST setup? Plus running it into an analog type board?

Interesting discussion, if a bit heated. Let's not turn this forum into mudslinging backtalk everyone. If you have an opinion just say it, no need for crudeness and namecalling even if you disagree with someone. Let's act like adults, people, adults.

And I heard the 4000 is the best hardware sampler on the planet. I know I'm a newb, but I'm pretty sure you have some control over the type of samples you put in there. Maybe not the same like a true Motif or rompler, but enough to get by and do what you have to do. Now an analogue rompler on the other hand is a different story alltogether, which is why so many people have alot of them crammed in there studios taking up space, instead of just sampling patches. But for a standard rompler head034, there's only so much you can do with the presets, and it shouldn't have to require the actual real time controllers on the rompler. I don't know about you, but I can instantly hear on the radio if a Motif or a Triton patch is being used, no matter what they did to it. Now analog is a different story.

ultimately it boils down to what format r YOU comfitable working with.me I like the hardware synths,but thats just me,I also have crazy vst stuff that I LIKE, if I just get a flow going, an my synths r on, thats what I use. if I'm not in a real creative mode then I dab into the vst stuff to see what I can come up with.but we can't really choose for you,you have to live & work with that decision,we can only give you our experience and as you know they differ.

head034 wrote:By the way, are any of you VST users using protools, logic, reason, etc... with your MPC and VST setup? Plus running it into an analog type board?

yes, im using cubase, and i have a mackie cr-1604.

I have a motif, 4000 and use softsynths. No disrespect to the motif, its been a good workhorse for a while now. Its got a good solid fundamental sound set. However, I've been investing heavily in hi-quality akai format cd-roms that I load into the 4000. While the motif sounds are good(sometimes in this game, good aint good enough), the cd-roms are amazing and have a seemingly unlimited pallet of sounds available. (tip: max out your 4k memory)

I have about 25 cd-roms that I have saved to the 4K hard drive so my library is allways conveniently available. If I have to go work at another studio, I just grab the mp and my entire library is with me. Or if the studio already has a 4K, I can just <dump entire memory to cd> and whatever song and all of its sounds are loaded to a cd-rom.

I use the mp to sequence my softsynths (Albino sees much action). I use a host program called bidule http://www.plogue.com/index.php?option= ... &Itemid=35
I then sample my vst parts into the mp using the optical in.

I haven't really used the 4k to generate synth sounds too often, but I just ordered a disk with all Access Virus samples to try. I love the sound of the Virus and will buy one if the cd-rom doesn't get close enough to the real deal.

As for the motif, I pretty much use it for rhodes, wurly and piano sounds now, and a as a controller.
If you're a hip-hop or rnb pruducer, don't even think about using stock motif drum sounds in your music as they are for the most part, crap.

Use what works for you.