Vinyl Drums vs. Real Drums

What type of drums would be best to use? Drums from vinyl or real live drums. It seems like Live drums would be best b/c you could do more. Anyways, just share an opinion or two. Thanks.

Both layered...

In terms of live drumming, your only limited to four sounds at once (left and right feet and hands, unless your using your head or a double pedal), but sampling real drums opens up the possibilities in terms of possible combinations and impossible bpms....

I am about to sample a live drummer not for loops, but for sounds... Take that and layer over preexsisting kits, its really limitless, plus it adds depth that a single hit might lack... Just my opinion..

I guess we will never know right? Like which one came first: The chicken or the egg?

Philosophers have debated what kind of drums are better to sample since the beginning of time. Nobody knows the true answer. So don't ask ever again.

Real drums, recorded onto 2" audio tape, mastered direct onto an acetate dub plate. Dub plate recorded onto dat from a vestax portable turntable. CD burned in real time from the dat via SPDIF. CD sampled into an Akai S900. Drums chopped to incividual hits & then played live with midi drum pads by the same drummer who played on the first recording. Thats what I like to do anyway.

Gawd damn!!

Personally, I'd love to sample drums from a kit right into the 60 through any old mic. anything that touches a computer first kinda dulls it out.

It depends on the kit anyway, some kits have weak kicks, and you can only get so many variations out of them. where as from vinyl you can have each drum come froma different kit entirely, the best of several dozen kits at your disposal. But you gotta find them open. Def. a trade off.

featherboy Real drums, recorded onto 2" audio tape, mastered direct onto an acetate dub plate. Dub plate recorded onto dat from a vestax portable turntable. CD burned in real time from the dat via SPDIF. CD sampled into an Akai S900. Drums chopped to incividual hits & then played live with midi drum pads by the same drummer who played on the first recording. Thats what I like to do anyway.

there is one minor detail you all are failing to realize in regard to live drums.

Mic choice and placement

Engineers will argue for days on what mics to use on what drums and how to place them.

when you sample drums from vinyl you have the luxury of this process already being done for you, usually by an engineer who really knows what they are doing.

The MAIN Benifit 2 Live Drum Recordin Is the Option 2 Get Slight Variations and Articulations....................Basically So MUCH Variety........


IE On A Live Kit U Can Change From Sticks 2 Brushes 2 Wands ALL PLAYIN THE SAME Drum SET SICK and Then There R the HAND HAT and Cymbal Stopz..................................


SICKER..........................


I DO STILL LUV The Sound Timber 2 Get When Samplin' off of VINYL.................................


and The Key is HOW GOOD IS THE Person on the KIT...........................


U Got Steve Gadd Commin' over? or Mic Fleetwood I Think MAYBE Not????


But IT All Up 2 UR Descretion.................................

First of im a drummer myself its the first musical instrument i learned to play but i think, it depends what sound and style your looking for, i mean its totally up to you and what you want to hear, theres so many good electric drums now that drummers are using such as the roland V DRUMS which are good to use to save miking kits etc, but the real sound still doesnt emulate, but if its for little things you find impossible to program in a sequencer then its a good option.... BUT I WILL SAY ONE THING GET FXPANSIONS "BFD" ITS 2 DVDS AND THERE AN XL VERSION (NOT MPC XL) WHICH HAS SO MANY SOUNDS ITS UNBEILEABLE BUT THIS PROGRAM LETS YOU CHOOSE THE DRUM WHERE THE MIC(S) ARE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE KITS FROM 20'S, 30, 40'S RITE UP TILL NOW, ITS AMAZING CHECK OUT THE VIDEOS ON THE FXPANSION WEBSITE YOU WONT BELEIVE YOUR EYES OR EARS FOR THAT MATTER!!!

featherboy wrote:Dub plate recorded onto dat from a vestax portable turntable. CD burned in real time from the dat via SPDIF. CD sampled into an Akai S900.

why the shit would you ever bring a DAT into the equation? that is completely unnecessary and a degradation in quality.

DEATH TO DATs

Sorry everyone .... my post wasn't serious ....... I was just elaborating on Spectre's:

I guess we will never know right? Like which one came first: The chicken or the egg?
Philosophers have debated what kind of drums are better to sample since the beginning of time. Nobody knows the true answer. So don't ask ever again.

I was actually considering having things played over the phone & recorded on an answer machine somewhere in there. I hope not too many people think I've got my own mastering lathe at home & start requesting dub plates!

Actually Feather I Think I DO KNOW NOW...................

NO one Drum KIT or DRUM Machine or Samples FIT Every Situation.............


Prince Knew And Had MANY Drummers But Often Used The LINN Drum Sounds B Cause He LUV'd the Kicks ETC.......................................






And I Cant Knock (Symbol) for that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone ever mess with triggering a kit and running it into a sampler? I've wanted to do this for a while with my MPC and drum kit.