Hardware Vs Software your opinion please?

I'm not sure if I should jump in.....

oh fuk it...

Sir Texas Ranger....watch what you say there are ppl on this forum who don't have experience enough to make a sound judgement??!?!??!??!!

I THINK NOT....

Judging from your software library it would appear you are quite inexperienced....

50 sw programs....unless you're about 50 I doubt you have enough experience to judge all of them....


btw....those boxes would make good fire kindling (make sure the discs are still in the box)

ever heard of a small concept called stability....try attaining it with your wall of wasted money (ie the sw boxes)

btw how do you plan to export your cubase mixes to a PT equipped studio.???????


I can use the 8 outs on the mpc......


I suppose its because SW is so much more flexible huh?

Clothes don't make the man.
Gear don't make the producer.
But toys are nice!
Drum sounds are the most important
thing on planet earth.

well said......

co-sign

Judging from your software library it would appear you are quite inexperienced....

50 sw programs....unless you're about 50 I doubt you have enough experience to judge all of them....

stop hating, man. i have forgot more about music than you will ever know. every piece of software i have serves a purpose from bass sound to electic keys to drums to synths to audio recording to chopping to mastering to effects to whatever is needed to make modern music on a pc. i bet i have more hardware than you too. huh?

ever heard of a small concept called stability....try attaining it with your wall of wasted money (ie the sw boxes)

by system is very stable, rock solid. plus, why should you worry about "MY" wasted money? i quess there is a chance my software cost more than you whole studio. huh?

btw how do you plan to export your cubase mixes to a PT equipped studio.eheheh?


I can use the 8 outs on the mpc......

well, to export to to a PT equipped studio from cubase just export each midi/vsti track to a wave file and burn thems to dvd plus i own mpc2000 with 8 out too but i rather carry a dvd disk to a studio than my mpc.

jaem,

dont hate the player hate the game but first you should start learning and understanding the game before you sound off. how long have you own a mpc? i have had one for about 9 years now. so, when you do sound off make sure you are talking to someone you know more than. ok cuz.

peep the other forum you stuttering double poster

yo jaem, you have your "M"s mixed up i am mwalker and not your moms.

Uh jaem you shouldn't have.

Mwalker is about 50,

A pro tools equiped studio? more like a slo fools impaired studio. and Mwalker is right, just export the multitrack wavs. But I'll tell you, I'm not letting any of my projects get imported to proTools, any studio that doesn't have an alternative that I like won't get my business.

Mwalker is about 50

elmacaco, i am not about 50 but about 40 tho.

Uh jaem you shouldn't have.

good advice elmacaco.

Just kiddin, didn't you see the

It's funny when we see new members start taking people on when they really don;t know shyt about them.

Point it, you really have put the time into all them programs, that's all I was saying. I remember when Retro AS-1 came out, not sure how many others remember them days unless you're at least 25 or got a real early start.

please do not put fruity loops in the same category as protools cubase and logic. fruity loops is more similar to reason. the other programs have a greater learning curve because it is possible to do a lot moe with them. anyone who is serious about being a producer should learn one of those three. not to say that tracks can't be made on fruity loops, but if u look at the feature set compared to the big 3 then u will see that at some point you will outgrow it

retro when it came out was not a vsti. remember the caught phase at the time "you must have a mutli client sound card" and the echo gina came out with the first mutli client driver so that you use retro with vsti(s).

is this not a double post (check the 2kxl thread). don't we have enough of these useless threads?

1-0ne

Using cubase, logic, or protools as an instrument is not the way of the future. these programs really are more geared to record and mix music and midi, but in a really technical way, like an engineer, not a musician. Reason, FL, are more geared towards musicians, designed as an instrument, a complete studio instrument, but an intrument none the less. FL hosts VSTi's and is one in itself like 4kXL pointed out, Reason can't do that, and it's on purpose because they don't want to be cubase. It's a different approach. But as far as making music with just one program, I'll take FL over reason over cubase / protools anyday. For recording, it's nuendo /cubase Protools type joints, but as a main axe? only for ubergeeks.

notice elmac i said producer not musician. What sound sources are in fruity loops that make it the ultimate sound module. by the way i make songs not just beats. after more investigation i have concluded that fruity loops is a toy. it bills itself as a music production program, but just doesn't compare to the competition. also most of the included plug-ins can be had for free or there is better freeware out there. let's not be ignorant. this is taken from the website:
FL STUDIO BASICS

What is FL Studio?
FL Studio is a full-featured sequencer perfectly suited for creation of complex songs and realistic drum loops, with 32 bit internal mixing and advanced MIDI support. The resulting song or loop can be exported to a WAV/MP3 file and all MIDI events can be exported to a standard MIDI file.

FL Studio is a pattern based sequencer, which means you create your songs in pieces (patterns) using the Step Sequencer and the Piano Roll view and then weld those pieces together using the Playlist window (the Playlist also supports full-featured audio tracks with hardrrive streaming). Then you can add a wide range of effects to your instruments (reverb, phaser, flanger etc.) and route the resulting mixer tracks in any way you like to create complex mixing chains with ease.

Main Features:
Internal 32 bit floating point mixing, up to 96kHz stereo.
Supports DirectSound and ASIO enabled sound cards for audio output.
Ability to function as a VSTi, DXi and a ReWire client.
Ability to host ReWire clients itself.
Realtime linear interpolation & sophisticated interpolation algorithms at rendering time.
Open architecture allowing third-party instruments (enhanced proprietary FL instruments standard, VSTi and DXi2) and effects (enhanced proprietary FL effects standard, VST, VST2 and DirectX).
A full set of high-precision mastering and special effects filters: reverb, compressor, procedural equalizer, distortion, phaser, flanger, bass boost, delay line and other.
Advanced sequencing methods allowing quick entering of realistic drum loops (step sequencing grid) and composing complex instrumentals (advanced piano roll, arpeggiator, keyboard tracking, real-time gate).
Unique note properties morphing ability (pitch, cutoff, resonance, panning).
Advanced mixer: 68 mixer tracks (64 insert and 4 send tracks) supporting up to 8 filters each; mixer tracks rerouting for creating of complex mixer chains; track recording with ASIO input support (for recording MIDI, vocals etc.); integrated procedural equalizer, volume and panning for each mixer track.
Integrated instruments: Sampler, TS404 (the popular bassline engine), 3xOSC (subsynth), Plucked! (plucked strings), MIDI Out, DX10 (FM synth), Scratcher (turntable emulator), WaveTraveller (wave bend synth), Wasp (demo), SimSynth Live (demo), and more.
Advanced playlist & full-featured audio tracks.
Live recording of control movements & integrated automation events editor.
Easy MIDI remote controlling of most parameters (VST plugins supported as well).
Procedural control over parameters by using special controller plugins.
Click removal & volume ramping to avoid pops.
Imports *.WAV, *.SYN (SimSynth 1 & 2), *.DS (DrumSynth) files, with effects applied.
Imports MIDI sequences and controller events.
Exports audio to 16Bit or 32Bit *.WAV file, *.MP3.
Can export MIDI notes & controller events to a standard MIDI file.

But...But...but... you're the Beat God? Just playin man.

Have you used Fruity Loops? It is a sampler, and sequencer, it's not the ultimate sound module, never said it was, it's a platform that hosts VST as well as, if not better than all the rest. Like 4kXK said, the CC mapping is really simple, I've seen people spend HOURS on Logic trying to get 8 knobs to control the synths in there, and this guy was a logic beta tester.

you can do anything with FL, and the playlist mode is an amazingly flexible way of arranging a song. I used to use Version 2 way back when, and the advancements they have done are great, but still focused on writing rather than say, recording a 16 piece band multitrack, which all the pro editors need to be able to do, the work for hire scenario, Fruity is a end user tool, like Reason, producers use reason, then have their engineer spice it up and swap the sounds for better ones.

Producers generally don't use software, they hire someone to use it for them and play the keyboard or sing the parts they want. Producers arent gonna be mouse jockies, not Quincy or Dre.

yeah, I write songs too, well, not lyrics and shyt, but my structure doesn't have the 16 bar holes for MC's and such, they are songs structure wise. And I do it all on the MPC 60. many people have done it before me, better than I, but the MPC is designed to write songs on, pattern based sequencers are a great way of working to make songs, you know this.

You heard of Carl Sturken? Big Pop song writer, used an MPC 60 for drum and sequencing until about 2000. He's the kind of guy who's got more money than time, all the pop princesses, just gobs of cash, reknowned songwriter, used and MPC 60. Most great songs are written really simply on a piano, or with a guitar and a 4 track cassette recorder. THere is a lot of hype behind these programs, but usually people come to them once their song is written. You can write a song with a pencil, you don't need 192kHz 24 bit and VSTi's out the wazoo.

I feel your perspective on most things Beat God, I don't use FL at all anymore, don;t even have it on My comp, but to say that it's just a toy is not true, you can do great things with it, it's just because it's cheap many people have it and don't.

It's much like the triton, people got it and basically played out the presets because they knew it was the thing to get and didn't know jack about programming, so then other users are kinda assed out unless they put in some work and make their sounds because the presets are so played out. And lets be honest, most of the people buying tritons, motifs, Fantoms, are buying them for the presets, it's a sample CD essentially, are they really going to use the synthesis features besides messing with a filter and some FX? But those guys kind of ruin it for the rest of them because the sound character of the triton has so oversaturated the market that to use it you kind of have to disguise it almost.