Talk and share knowledge on rare records, sources of new samples, vinyl, diggin, etc

By hfinal Mon May 16, 2005 6:33 pm
Please guys, he asks a simple question and everyone just goes offtopic and flames him.

ONTOPIC:

For loops, I would say Madlib.. He digs up some really hot loops and knows how to add percussion and other instruments to make it 10x hotter than before.

For chops, I would say Premier and Prefuse 73. These guys make very different music, but they are extremely skilled at chopping. I recommend listening to "Pop Shots" with Old Dirty Bastard (Premier production). That chopped up piano progression changed how i make beats FOREVER, and hopefully it will inspire you too.
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By binger0 Mon May 16, 2005 6:54 pm
man just give dude some answers. Everybody wants to see your hip hop qualification card. Like u have to be a elitist nerd to post here. I know the question was a little newbie got give the guy a break.
For groups to study that have good "samples":
Pete Rock
Primo
Madlib
Jay Dee
Rza
Tribe Called Quest
Large professor (old large pro)
DITC (diamond d, buckwild, showbiz, Lord Finesse)
Dr. Dre (older dre like chronic and NWA)
Beatnuts
Count Bass D
Insight
Ninth Wonder
Kanye (he can flip samples)
Dj Ablities
RJD2
Numark and Cut Chemist
DJ Shadow
Alchemist
and mad others that i cant think of right now.
Basically you want to study all hip hop music and most funk and jazz. That is what i do. I have an ipod and bout 70 gigs of music so i study alot while im delivering pizzas at work. When im not doing that i listen to my records at home. It really does help you become a better producer casue u are learning from the people that allready are established. Just be through. U have to listen to all diff genres and styles within hip hop and just listen hard. You should also read magazines like Remix, Scratch, Tabist, URB, Wax Poetics, Mix, Recording, and whatever other books or magazines u can find on production. These are all tools to make you become better at the craft.
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By vursatyl0601 Tue May 17, 2005 2:09 am
someone said stoupe, i just thought id add my two cents.

in my opinion, stoupe should not be charracterized a great sampler. sure he makes fresh beats with samples. however, i would call him more of a fresh sample-finder, as he loops a lot. hes a good sampler, but i would say the greats manipulate the samples more and make something new and fresh out of them.

this is just my opinion.

rjd2 is a fresh sampler. so is hi tek imo, because both manipulate samples amazingly well.
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By bobbydesign Tue May 17, 2005 3:04 am
if you want to listen to some stuff outside of what you woudl normaly hear-check out Bent, they have a track on their first album (name of which escapes me right now) that samples an old country track and turns it onto a synthy, trippy little number. Also Lemon Jelly do some pretty wild things with kitchy samples. They are probably 2 of the best non hip hop acts for sampling IMHO.

bby d
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By medd Wed May 18, 2005 7:26 am
cant say any 1 dude is the best but i think some good examples of flipping a sample are

jay dee on dela's shoomp (genius of love)
nyshiem myrick on bigs who shot ya (david porter)
madlib on green power (mandrill)
pete rock on az's gimmie yours (minnie's here we go)
beatnuts on madskillz nod factor (superman lover)
primo on group home supastar (cameo)
By simcity Thu May 19, 2005 3:41 am
Rza -- he samples the sound of the room and the sun on a clouddy day on the Shaolin mountain tops
Primo -- Uh, "royalty" is the goat in my opinion. Aything post 92 will be amazing if you happen to hear the original.
Large Pro -- start with this dude. he was the first to start filtering basslines. What he does may sound dated, but anybody who has ever tried to use the sp1200 will tell you the Extra P was the king of that machine.
Madlib -- cosign above on the loops and ear factor. I'm not sure how well he really manipulates samples, but his ear cannot be fu**cked with.
Pete Rock -- the absolute king of layers. After all these years, I still cannot hear what hes doing with the sampler.
Express Rising -- this cat should be noted for what he leaves out. He only picks the absolute essential shiz, screws with it most subtlely, samples ten different types of air and his drums punch you in the gut.
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By latee Thu May 19, 2005 12:45 pm
RZA!!!!!!!!!!!
RZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just listen to 36 Chambers, Tical 1, Return to the 36 Chambers, Cuban Linx,
Liquid Swords, and IronMan

DAN the AUTOMATOR!!!!!! (Listen to Dr. Octogon)

Ced Gee (UltraMagnetic MCs)
Tribe Called Quest
Jay Dee (Listen to Fantastic Vol. 2)
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By a_real_mc Thu May 19, 2005 1:56 pm
Seems to me that on the topic of chopping, everybody forgot one of the most innovative producers in that aspect...J-ZONE. If you haven't heard or heard of J-Zone, you guys need to check him. Almost every song is chopped, but chopped would be and understatement. He overly chops samples making like 10 sequences for each beat. He is the first MF I heard flip an accordian sample and make the shit dope...You guys are sleepin'...I'm out-

By max90 Thu May 19, 2005 3:06 pm
primo.
dj shadow.

thats all you need to know.
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By Cheech Thu May 19, 2005 3:26 pm
a_real_mc wrote: He is the first MF I heard flip an accordian sample and make the **** dope...


not to take anything away from j-zone (i know he's dope) but madlib did that shyt too
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By latee Thu May 19, 2005 5:23 pm
not to take anything away from j-zone (i know he's dope) but madlib did that shyt too


and better....in my opinion
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By binger0 Thu May 19, 2005 5:30 pm
simcity wrote:Large Pro -- start with this dude. he was the first to start filtering basslines. What he does may sound dated, but anybody who has ever tried to use the sp1200 will tell you the Extra P was the king of that machine.

actually pete rock "invented" this. He was at i think marley marls lab and he started messing with filters on the s900 i think and he made the filtered bass. That is from an article in wax poetics.
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By Cheech Thu May 19, 2005 6:32 pm
i wonder if none of them ever read the manual haha..... Propably not!
By simcity Thu May 19, 2005 7:03 pm
[quote="binger0"][quote="simcity"]
Large Pro -- start with this dude. he was the first to start filtering basslines. What he does may sound dated, but anybody who has ever tried to use the sp1200 will tell you the Extra P was the king of that machine.
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actually pete rock "invented" this. He was at i think marley marls lab and he started messing with filters on the s900 i think and he made the filtered bass. That is from an article in wax poetics.[/quote]

"cause I be up at Mt Vernon, Chillin with Cl smoo th an Pete Rock makin beat...."
you could be right about this. I've heard both say they invented it.