asr10 vs. 60 chopping

choppin is wierd at first on my asr10... i have grown to love it and now i am very quick with it... i was what anybody with this setup thinks about mpc60 chopping vs. the asr10... i dont have the upgrades yet for my 60 but i am planning on choppin alot on it.. i wanna know if its more difficult than on the asr10 or is it just like the asr10 where u just gott agive it a little time and patience and then your good and u start to enjoy it......

butcher wrote:choppin is wierd at first on my asr10... i have grown to love it and now i am very quick with it... i was what anybody with this setup thinks about mpc60 chopping vs. the asr10... i dont have the upgrades yet for my 60 but i am planning on choppin alot on it.. i wanna know if its more difficult than on the asr10 or is it just like the asr10 where u just gott agive it a little time and patience and then your good and u start to enjoy it......

The two different machines stand up to this challenge in different ways.

The ASR-10 wave sample parameter copy and START/LOOP point modulation capabilites are just a couple of its' stand out tools.

The MPC60/3000 simplify the basic task at hand by getting to the point.

Read the MPC60 FAQ by ELMACACO.

Rohan.

THERE IS NO SAMPLER ON EARTH BETTER AT CHOPPING THAN THE ASR-10
not to be confused with the ASR-x/ASR-x Pro, they are not based on the ASR-10 they are based on the MR's

I don't care what chopping tutorial, DVD, video etc you look at if you listen to people with the chops that are bananas you will quickly realize that's not what they are doing.
Sad part is they don't like to share because it keeps you ahead in the game.
So they just let you believe they are chopping like people see in the lessons.

ntalec wrote:[b]THERE IS NO SAMPLER ON EARTH BETTER AT CHOPPING THAN THE ASR-10

I reckon that just about sums it all up.

The slice capability of my ASR10R and ASR88 rock the house.

Transwave simulation stuff with it's modulation capabilities opens up the 4th dimension.

Ntalec hits the nail on the head again.

Nice one.

Peace.

Rohan.

thanx alot.... i figured the asr10 was probably bettrer cuz its so basic and easy once u get the hang of it...

yeah the transwave stuff i what has me interested in the ASR 10 and a currently borrowing one, I will probably sell something in the near future and get a rack ASR 10, cuz I'm all about the 4th dimention

EL,
piece of advise get the keyboard not the rack.
The racks have a much higher display failure rate due to the location of the internal components.
The heat in the rack is harder to get rid of and causes units with high or prolonged usage to lose characters in the display.
Ensoniq was able to use the blue LCD in the keyboard but never made one for the rack.
With the keyboard you can add a fan to the ram slot and keep the unit cool even with 24/7 operation.
With the rack you can't put a fan on the sides because the unit is large and the internal boards run the full horizontal distance of the left to right case.
You can't put on on the back since it's crammed full.
Your only choice would be on the top of the case but then it would still needs a path above it to vent the heat.
With the rack you lose the patch select buttons and get a less flexible input selector.
The rack also loses the double click on the 8 selector buttons.
The Rack does come with SCSI and the extra outs standard but you can still buy a SCSI interface from
EPR Electronics so that's not big and the extra outs can't use the ASR effects so they aren't as valuable as they could be.
Last but not least the ergonomics on the rack are f*cked compared to the keyboard. Things are positioned based on space not functional work flow.
There are other things but that's just off the top of my head.
Even without the Transwave features the ASR is a killer, the Transwave is just a license to kill.

I really can't fit another keyboard in here. the one I am borrowing is a rack with a display character missing.

Hmm, so no way but at the top for fans or vent holes huh? I can do that, I don't usually rack my rack samplers.

Unless I move, I won't be gettin the keys, perhaps later on I'll swap the rack for the keys, but I find the rack OK for what I want to accomplish. I am into nice ergonomics, so maybe later I'll switch.

Thanks for breaking that down man.

ASR is way beyond vent holes.
You can cook on the surface of the ASR.
Before adding a fan to pull the heat out of the ASR the heat factor was unbelievable.
What's really crazy about it is a big portion of the heat is generated by the RAM.
I understand the space thing that's why I got rid of one of my ASR keyboards and kept the 2 racks and the other keyboard.

I've actually been inside the ASR Rack a while ago and I was kinda shocked how they crammed so many circuitboards on top of each other in there, not really a good design to let heat out, or something I'd particularly like to work on, even just replacing the screen.

Yeah, space is the deal, a keyboard would have to displace something or be too far away to actually integrate, but I got the guest rack within arm's reach from the 60.

Crammed is definitely the correct description.
I definitely feel you on the space thing reminds me of when I have 3 Rhodes and a Wurly, they were nice but the space meant more than their capapbilities.
I gave up a long time ago on the Captain's chair mentality, it just gets to hard to maintain.
I pretty much sit (or stand) in one area for making sounds, have another spot that's more for making the beats and then the spot for tracking and mixing.
I even a pre-amped Tech 1200 beside the MPC for all sampling but the Vestex and Tech 1200 and CD for DJ work are on the opposite side of the room.
When I am searching through vinyl or creating synth patches being comfortable seems to make a crazy difference.
My only problem is that I'm approaching the point of moving all the vinyl to it's own room.

Nah man, I got the captain's chair going on, surrounded on all sides by the critical stuff. I usually dig through my records and bring stuff to the turntable which is under the 60 on a shelf, makes things really compact and easy to control. I am not a DJ so I don't need crazy TT access.

I remember when that use to work but now I pretty much roll around from position to position.
If I could use just the xl, 60 or SP that would make things better but I use all 3 and they are positioned so that they are all comfortable to use.
That starts the U add 88 keys, an ASR key, Emax key and a couple of rack samplers & other keys and you get the picture.
That's even before you get to the rack effects patchbays HUI controllers. pre's, compressors etc.

Space was the reason I dumped my SP-303, (2)- S-900's, the ESI, spare SP1200, (2) 8-channel pres, (2) 2-channel TL Audio pres and a Digitech Vocalist Studio EX.

I hope real estate is cheap in your area

elmacaco wrote:I hope real estate is cheap in your area

Seems to get worst everyday.

El, why you are trying to learn the ASR make sure you have the right manual for the unit as well as the extra manuals that have the info on the effects etc.
The rack manual and key manuals are different.
You are going love what comes to your mind with the re-sampling and disk-tracks capability.