ableton live 4 and mpc 1000

terrecfire24

"what is live? same type a thing as protools?"

Its a sequencer with a heavy audio back ground but now also does MIDI. It has a different approach from other sequencers like Cubase/Logic as it is very hands on and encourages you to jam with it. You will often hear people say that Live as an instrument, not a sequencer. It is actually very MPC like in its approach to patterns and triggering of the patterns.

http://www.ableton.com/ - lots of tutorial videos you can watch..

btw, don't be hell bent on getting ProTools. Clearly it is a cool package but this does not mean it is necessarily right for you. Have a look around at the competition first and read every review you can on these. Try to read some stuff from non-MPC users as these tend to be very pro-ProTools.

"would i also need live?/cubase?/recycle?"

If you get ProTools and then decide that you also need Cubase, then I suspect that ProTools was not the correct choice in the first place. You really do not need two top-end sequencers and doing so will only slow you down and course you years of frustration. I have been using Steinberg sequencers (Cubase and its predecessors) for 20 years and I STILL get frustrated with it, sometimes wasting a whole evening trying to resolve a single 'technical' issue that has little to do with writing music. It is difficult enough to master one sequencer, let alone two!

You will have to read up on ReCycle, its not a sequencer (as you probably know) - its very cool for cutting up audio into sections (drum loops into single hits) but it is VERY old now and there are infinitely superior alternatives out there. ReCycle does have the advantage of being childs-play to use as it pretty much only does one thing.

Good luck,

pad-ophiliac wrote:what is live? same type a thing as protools? i hope to be gettin my pwerbook soon and i was going to get the PT mpowered with a firewire 410. would i also need live?/cubase?/recycle? i don't get it, what do they all do? do i really need more than mpowered. my 1K has four outs and the firewire has four ins so i should be good to go right?

what is live? live is a seq program that you can track into. it also comes with sounds for you to build songs in it independently.
same type a thing as protools? in a small way, yes - look at above answer. but protools is much more powerfull than live and pt doesn't come with sounds like live. it comes with and you can use vst instrument.
would i also need live?/cubase?/recycle? each of these are different in their own right. live is as discussed above, cubase is more on the line of protools and recycle is something to chop samples in.
do i really need more than mpowered? again, yes and no. yes, if you plan on adding more sounds, you will need some type of vst instrument program to pull up inside protools, no, if you plan on just tracking from the mpc only.
my 1K has four outs actually, you have 6 outs. you can use your stereo out as two individual outs by hard panning left/right making the mpc1000 have 6 outs

i use a firewire 410 in the studio and the m-audio transit when i'm away...not bad. the transit is very cheap and compact (under $100 CDN)...both cards have some issues according to various newsgroups, but mine both run fine (on an ibook).

PT dont use VSTi's ont RTAS and Audio suttin or the other.

Penfold wrote:PT dont use VSTi's ont RTAS and Audio suttin or the other.

RTAS - VST same concept. what i was trying to get across is the usage of something other than hardware.

what kinda soundcard would you suggest for this setup with a dell laptop? I also have reason 2.5

check the echo indigo i/o, it is $175 and ideal for a laptop.

There are vst-rtas & rtas-vst shells to solve the plugin compatibility problem.

Here is one link to buy a type of program like this, or you can just download it from a p2p program and save a couple of bucks.
http://www.fxpansion.com/product-rtasadapter-main.php
There are a few others I have seen, but i'm too lazy to pull up the pages right now, just search and you will find it.

If you aren't running Pro Tools, the motu interfaces 828mkII, 896HD and traveler are great. Also, the m-audio Ozonic is cool if you are into that sort of thing.

If anyone is thinking of getting Ableton, don't hesitate. It is a simple and powerful piece of software that acts more like an instrument than a complicated sequencing program. Also, version 5 is coming out in a month, which adds huge new features like track freeze, groove quantize and MP3 compatibility. To me, it is one of the few things as addicting and fun as an MPC.

You will have to read up on ReCycle, its not a sequencer (as you probably know) - its very cool for cutting up audio into sections (drum loops into single hits) but it is VERY old now and there are infinitely superior alternatives out there. ReCycle does have the advantage of being childs-play to use as it pretty much only does one thing.


What are some alternatives to recycle?

sparq wrote:

pad-ophiliac wrote:what is live? same type a thing as protools? i hope to be gettin my pwerbook soon and i was going to get the PT mpowered with a firewire 410. would i also need live?/cubase?/recycle? i don't get it, what do they all do? do i really need more than mpowered. my 1K has four outs and the firewire has four ins so i should be good to go right?

what is live? live is a seq program that you can track into. it also comes with sounds for you to build songs in it independently.
same type a thing as protools? in a small way, yes - look at above answer. but protools is much more powerfull than live and pt doesn't come with sounds like live. it comes with and you can use vst instrument.
would i also need live?/cubase?/recycle? each of these are different in their own right. live is as discussed above, cubase is more on the line of protools and recycle is something to chop samples in.
do i really need more than mpowered? again, yes and no. yes, if you plan on adding more sounds, you will need some type of vst instrument program to pull up inside protools, no, if you plan on just tracking from the mpc only.
my 1K has four outs actually, you have 6 outs. you can use your stereo out as two individual outs by hard panning left/right making the mpc1000 have 6 outs

thanks man

Hi

"What are some alternatives to recycle?"

There are lots out there but the obvious ones, and the ones that I use are:

NI Intakt:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... =intakt_us

NI Kontakt:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... kontakt_us

I would say that Intakt is the simplest as it is designed to split/play loops and their fragments. Kontakt is regarded as being the most powerful sampler ever produced and includes most/all(?) of Intakts loop functionality, at the expense of being very overkill if that is all you require..

These are the only two and Battery are the only two samplers I use - truly incredible and totally unrivalled!

I dig using live a lot and would like to sync the mpc up with it, but I can't get to setup right. If I want to trigger samples from ableton on the mpc (kind of like an mpd 16) or play midi into Live and do all the sequencing there. How do I set up my midi. I have the basic M-Audio soundcard. could someone let me know. Is it MIDI out on the mpc then have it as A or what?

Thanks

make sure you have the midi input that your mpc is on set up as a remote device input in the ableton device preferences menu (under 'midi/sync').