The Cons of an MPC-1000 as Opposed to the Pros of an MPC-60

i really hate these "what should I get" forums.......man how the heck can we help you out? We're all biased towards whatever machines we're familiar with....of course i'm a say buy an mpc-60 or an sp1200. That's just how I get down and what I feel really comfortable working with. Also what type of music do you plan on creating? If you're into hiphop music you can easily have fun with 10 seconds of sample time and or buy the 60 and a rack mount EMAX I for about the same price as the mpc1000. If you're creating dance music or drum and bass / jungle / jump up whatever that shit requires mad layering and build ups and lots and lots of keynote changes and such....if you're planning on getting a keyboard to go along with these machines you're prolly going to need something with 64 midi channels like the mpc-60.....and you ask who the hell would use that many......ask EL!? hahahahh

DRUMZ.1

1k.

why does that rhyme with 'yergay'?

mpc3000 wrote:Cons of the MPC1000:

1. It's gets pretty hard to fill up 128 Meg.
2. You might miss getting a smoke since the MPC1000 takes only a few seconds to save.
3. I miss the expensive repair bills of the 60.
4. I miss paying hundreds of dollars for simple expansions.
5. I miss the backlight burnout.
6. I am not sure what to do with the the new room I have on the desk.
7. I miss chopping every single byte of dead space in samples in order to squeeze one more sample into 750k of memory.
8. I miss the "pitched up sampling, pitched down playback" memory saving trick to get that 15th sample into memory.
9. I am not sure what to do with digital I/O.
10. Graphical waveform editing is hard to get used to.
11. Not sure what to do with built-in effects.
12. Not sure what to do with 4 filter types.

lmao

I am a die-hard mpc 60 user as far as mpc's go, but that's cos it fits into my studio and i have other gear to take care of other stuff.

but maybe this helps...

do you have a mixing desk with some outboard fx, filters and compressors? if you do then a 60 might be for you.

do you have a pc with a soundcard of sorts and no other fx or other outboard gear. then a 1k may be for you.

maybe the 1k is also cool for jaming live with no other equipment.

but if you want a sound that is 12bit funk, then the 60 is your man. no choice.

i posted something about what hit songs where produced w/ the 60.

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php ... highlight=

so you can listen to the 60

If you get the 1k you can always get racks for it to control. It does have 2 midi outs. Then you have madd options anyway. You can go emu, akai, yamaha, etc. for a rack sampler. A lot of the racks go for a couple hundred dollars. You have the convenience of more modern technology (1k) and the sought after sound of old technology (rack) right at your finger tips. Plus with the racks...upgrades are a lot cheaper than the mpc 60. If your rack craps out you can buy a new one for the price it costs to repair or upgrade a 60.

I'm relatively new to make producing tracks but in the short time I have been doing it, I have owned a 1000 for a few months and subsequently sold it a few months ago and bought a 60. I have absolutely no regrets whatsoever!!!

Cons of the 1000:
-smaller pads that are much less sensitive.
-fewer dedicated buttons that are cramped together.
-it has a cheap feel
-sound, sound, sound: tinny sound compared to the 60's ultra-fat sound
-cosmetically the 1000 looks like a toy compared to the 60
-It doesn't seem as stable or reliable. I only had it for a few months so I can't verify this, but it had a few software glitches that were annoying, whereas the 60 is always as solid as a rock.
-A more complicated workflow.
-no dedicated outputs and fewer midi options.

In my opinion, a lot of the "extras" that the 1000 have are unnecessary or cheap. The effects suck. the filters are useful but not the best. 128 mb of ram is way to much unless you're using live. its small but I like the fact that the 60 is a tank, it feels like I'm operating a spaceship when I use it. waveforms for sample-editing seems more like a personal preference then something that is necessarily better. I don't plan on using a computer in my setup, so for me the USB is useless.
The 60 doesn't "do as much" as the 1000, but what it does, its does very very well.
The one good thing I can say about the 1000, is that it would be cheaper to buy. It probably costs the same as the 60 right off, but you'll probably want to upgrade a few things on the 60 and you'll probably want to add some other outboard gear like maybe a rack sampler maybe a filtering module maybe a mix board.
Buying extra gear for the 60 may be more expensive, but on the other hand having dedicated gear for things like effects and filters will probably give a better sound in the end and it gives you a lot more flexibility.


Last word: THE 12 BIT SOUND OF THE 60 BLOWS THE 1000 OUT OF THE WATER.

the fact is the 1000 will please a lot more people than the 60 will. The 60 is for particular tastes and needs, definitly not for everyone, the 1000 is designed to be for the masses, so it delivers alot in a small package for cheap. but for those that value different things in their beat machines, there are things in the 60 and other vintage gear that nothing new bothers with.

I should include that it isn;t just the 60 or SP, this goes for the 3000, ASR 10 as well. Newer doesn't always suit everybody. We are reall comparing apples to oranges.

phaedrus wrote:I'm relatively new to make producing tracks but in the short time I have been doing it, I have owned a 1000 for a few months and subsequently sold it a few months ago and bought a 60. I have absolutely no regrets whatsoever!!!

Cons of the 1000:
-smaller pads that are much less sensitive.
-fewer dedicated buttons that are cramped together.
-it has a cheap feel
-sound, sound, sound: tinny sound compared to the 60's ultra-fat sound
-cosmetically the 1000 looks like a toy compared to the 60
-It doesn't seem as stable or reliable. I only had it for a few months so I can't verify this, but it had a few software glitches that were annoying, whereas the 60 is always as solid as a rock.
-A more complicated workflow.
-no dedicated outputs and fewer midi options.

In my opinion, a lot of the "extras" that the 1000 have are unnecessary or cheap. The effects suck. the filters are useful but not the best. 128 mb of ram is way to much unless you're using live. its small but I like the fact that the 60 is a tank, it feels like I'm operating a spaceship when I use it. waveforms for sample-editing seems more like a personal preference then something that is necessarily better. I don't plan on using a computer in my setup, so for me the USB is useless.
The 60 doesn't "do as much" as the 1000, but what it does, its does very very well.
The one good thing I can say about the 1000, is that it would be cheaper to buy. It probably costs the same as the 60 right off, but you'll probably want to upgrade a few things on the 60 and you'll probably want to add some other outboard gear like maybe a rack sampler maybe a filtering module maybe a mix board.
Buying extra gear for the 60 may be more expensive, but on the other hand having dedicated gear for things like effects and filters will probably give a better sound in the end and it gives you a lot more flexibility.


Last word: THE 12 BIT SOUND OF THE 60 BLOWS THE 1000 OUT OF THE WATER.

now THAT was how to answer a question!

Not to start a(nother) bit war, but the 1000, 2000 etc, simply don't have the sound, and I must say that for an older guy who started making beats with the 60/1200, the thing is a pain to use. That's my experience.

Also, a funny thing is that if you look in the sections of the forum dedicated to the 2ks and 1ks, the majority of the posts are about malfunctions and bugs...here, mostly nostalgia, the occasional dead backlight...nothing serious.

Anyway, I am new to the forum, I've been using the MPC60II coupled with an EPS since the mid 90's. I recently bought a 3000, but still exclusively sample drums through the 60. I just love the thing.

You are not alone max. Welcome to the forum.

Do you have the upgrades for the 60? The 3.10e OS and the Marion Scsi make a great machine even better, I feel the 3000 OS suits the 60 better than it does the 3000 due to the better panel layout, but that's just me.

Also, the MPC editor is quite handy if you are not aware of it.

Please have a look through the 60 FAQ / Bible at the top of the forum and share a tip if you like, we're trying to keep a place with great 60 resources and tips and advanced working methods so people don't have to sarch through all the fights to get the handy tips.

Looking forward to hearing more from you

Dude, 3000 and 60 layout isnt THAT different... I cant see how you think the 3k is cluttered? ok, you win. You have the pimp armrest.

You may not see it, but it's there. The jog wheel is over the transport controls, the command buttons are near the back edge of the machine, etc. On the 60 all controls except the master volume and contrast knob are in a 7 inch stripe across the front, also having the soft buttons and screen above the command buttons is another class touch. Even without the armrest the sheer real estate on the 60 is used a lot more elegantly. I've gotten into it before, but it's true. Not that it should stop you, but yall got filters, we got ergonomics like a mofo.

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go there and look up akai mpc there are tons of them i bet u could talk someone for likr $600 for a blown out akai mpc 1k