Exchange tips and tricks for the Akai MPC4000
By Altopiano Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:14 am
hy there ...
anyone knows whazup with the 3 digit number in sample mode > trim/lp > loop st ... that akai introduced in an os 1.somethin upgrade. the more i loop the more i think it doesnt do anything ... did a search but couldnt find anything about it. anyone knows?
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By Blue Haze Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:52 pm
It is for setting fine loop points for note sample like a violin, bass, and etc. Especiallly when you need to set that loop point just right to get it in pitch too. I think that 1.41 update addendem may have it or 1.33 addendem. :idea:

By Altopiano Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:42 pm
thanx bh for your feedback

Blue Haze wrote:It is for setting fine loop points for note sample like a violin, bass, and etc. :idea:


well, i know that but its 2 weeks that i dont do anything else as looping some multisampled flutes, cellos, basses, trumpets, violins and the like ... and i looped for sure a few 100 if not a 1000 in the past 2 weeks ... lol ... and your absolutely correct on what the abbendum manual (its 1.33e) says ...

basically i think that looping on the 4k is great and 90% of my samples loop fine even without using the 3 digit field ... but some just dont loop smooth this way - so i tried to improve those harsh loops using the 3 digit fineloop field .... however after all those loops i did i m quite convinced that the added 3 digit aint doin anythin ... try it - loop a flute and set a very narrow loop at the end of the sample .... first set the loop start point in the big (9 digit) field correctly and there if ya move 1 step up or down ya clearly hear that the loop changes acoustically quite drastically on every step (also if ya enlarge the graph ya see clearly that the wave is moving) .... however if ya try to improve the loop with the 3 digit field and with the loop window enlarged at maximum ... well i dont hear and see any difference ....

so the clear and precxise question is - are the changes that minimal or is it buggy? ... i think it doesnt do anything and thus is buggy coz basically if the 3 digit number says 000 it should be the same as if ya havent moved the 9 digit number - whilst if ya have the 3 digit number at 999 it should almost be at the current loopst field (same position) plus 1 ... and it doesnt result to me to be like this ... anyone can check this out please and prove me wrong?
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By Blue Haze Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:58 am
I think you are right concerning loops made by the 4k cuz as I reread 1.33 addedum it state interchangability with loops made with S1000 and S3000 samplers. I haven`t used it that much but if you can load up these looped samples from a S1000 CD or S3000 CD aka 2XKL Disk or something. Just my impression when I read the addedum just now. My opinion not fact is that the 3 digits points is for loops made with older samplers not made with the 4k.


Check by email at [email protected] if you wish for an direct factual answer.

By Altopiano Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:42 am
thanx mate for comin back and for the e-mail adress ....

well, the multisampled cds i got r all 16 bit, 44 khz unlooped multisamples, with programs ordered in partitions and volumes - which i looped .... looks like s 1000 format (surely not a 4k or s 5/6k format). regarding loop compatability - i cant proove whether those samples been looped before on an s 1000 (coz i dont have one) - on my 4k they aint when i uploaded em first.

just now i did a 4k 24 bit 96 khz sample to see whether there is any difference ... but its the same ish imo ....

so imo that 3 digit below decimal point field doesnt do anything. i ll wait a few more days befor sending - maybe someone in here prooves my bug asumption wrong or confirms it (either of the 2 were greatly appreciated coz i dont wanna bug akai with irrelevant issues) or knows why it is like this (maybe anyone has some s 3000 samples to checkout whether it does have any affect on those? maybe some other reason?)

and question: the [email protected] adress is it from an os developer or a service man? ... if os developer i d send in a few other bugs whilst i m at it ...
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By Blue Haze Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:35 pm
Altopiano wrote:thanx mate for comin back and for the e-mail adress ....

well, the multisampled cds i got r all 16 bit, 44 khz unlooped multisamples, with programs ordered in partitions and volumes - which i looped .... looks like s 1000 format (surely not a 4k or s 5/6k format). regarding loop compatability - i cant proove whether those samples been looped before on an s 1000 (coz i dont have one) - on my 4k they aint when i uploaded em first.

just now i did a 4k 24 bit 96 khz sample to see whether there is any difference ... but its the same ish imo ....

so imo that 3 digit below decimal point field doesnt do anything. i ll wait a few more days befor sending - maybe someone in here prooves my bug asumption wrong or confirms it (either of the 2 were greatly appreciated coz i dont wanna bug akai with irrelevant issues) or knows why it is like this (maybe anyone has some s 3000 samples to checkout whether it does have any affect on those? maybe some other reason?)

and question: the [email protected] adress is it from an os developer or a service man? ... if os developer i d send in a few other bugs whilst i m at it ...


He is customer service in Yokohama and pretty prompt with replies. He is the english go to guy. He mainly does troubleshooting for the 4k.

By Altopiano Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:41 pm
allright - thanx again.