Cormega - Boom Bap article got me thinkin'.

Normally I wouldn't post this here, but it holds some relevancy due to the arguments insuing in this particular forum as of late.

Heres an excellent quote:

"That Boom Bap was an era of greatness. It was like watching an NBA All-Star Game. Gilbert Arenus made the team this year. Let’s just say you take it back to when Jordan and Bird and Barkley, certain people couldn’t be an All-Star during those eras. Jay-Z is able to shine during this age because he has flow. Rap is all about who has the dopest flow right now. Rakim and Kane are from the era when it was about what you were saying. You f**kin’ with a Hip-Hop historian. That’s where the term “wack MC” comes from. You can’t say “wack MC” today, because it’s all about flow. If you look at flow, Vanilla Ice had a dope f**kin’ flow. The record that Pharell produced with Fabolous rappin’ on it, he used Vanilla Ice’s flow. I know this for a fact because Pharell told me himself. Mase had a dope ass flow. But “The Message” by Melle-Mel isn’t the record it is because of the flow, it is the record it is because of what he was saying. Nas is one of the last rappers from the say-something era. If I was A&R a Kane or a G Rap, I’d say, “don’t follow the formulas of these rappers today, because you’re downsizing yourself. These guys are more accomplished financially. But as far as great artists, they’ve yet to catch up to you guys.” "

I been trying to say this for a long f*cking time, but nobody wants to listen to what i'm saying. Perhaps now that someone with some clout behind them is endorsing what I been trying to say forever.

I think I figured out why the Boom Bap era was cut short so quickly. It dissapaited because the creators of it, the immitators of it, and the up & comers of it, saw all the money these new jack producers/rappers were getting without paying dues, they got upset, and tried to jump ship. In the process, a lota them wasted thier careers.

It's like people today who say Wu-Tang is whack, or they're production was terrible.. Back in 93, 94, 95, those same people were riding WU's d*ck so hard they coulda been condoms. They crossed over, and all the sudden, apparently WU is whack. It's funny cause I remember hella people saying Wu-Forever was a sell out LP. I look back, and to me, it's just WU in they're prime. The production value was better then all they're previous efforts, concepts were well thought it, mc's were at they're peak, it was just solid all the way around.

Heres an excellent analogy that describes selling out.. It's like selling herbz. The second you get that green in your eyes, and you think your Don Carlone, you get hemmed up, and the parade is over.

every artistic movement has it's golden age. Styles that are ancient, could have multiple great era's.


The rebelious raucios music of our youth, become's the oldies to the new generation.


think about this, when we are old, and in the nursing home, and all of a sudden, on the oldies station we hear OC's times up.and krs one's outta hear. What will tomorrows yout think of that. do you think they will have the same disdain we had for our paren't oldies. I for one, would be very happy. It will be interesing to see how it all plays out 50 years from now. will the black eyed pea's, or J5 still be touring like the stones or bruce sprindteen, or all the washed up acts from the 80's playing crappy clubs.

the boom bap era is gone, never to return. If it does return, it will be in a new form. Energy does not die, it just changes form.

It will be back. I believe.

mikedean wrote:It will be back. I believe.

I much of a mega fan as I am, Mega is talking from a NY point of view.

Boom- Bap is Basically a East Coast thing. South down People a Really into that. I David Banner said best "all those Snare are hurting our hears when you gotta 1500 watt Woofer in your trunk".Same thing out West. Hip Hop is more regional today than ever! Most Record Labels want Hits not just Street Records,if you won't play ball with them, they will drop you and find dudes who are willing to make records like that. The Real problem is the underground Artist (People Like Mega and Tragedy) are being smother out of existence by Greedy Mixed Tape Dj's and Corporate Radio that has cut it's connection it's Main Audience......The Streets. Now instead of the underground Real MC's Dj's etc. The underground artist are Dudes like Aseops Rock. So being underground to most uneducated people(both Artist & Fans) means being a Broke MC(Which is rite 90% of the time),and Nobody in the hood wants to be or Identifed with Broke N*ggas so,the Fans and the Practitoners suffers!!

Son, what the hell are you talking about?

By the way, Aesop Rock is pretty dope in my opinion. Dude came from "the underground" along with a slew of the 1st Def Jux cats...

aesop rock is backpack rap... that shit aint fly... that why 90% of the audience at shows is either white, some disgruntled suburban youth, and/or some emo/punk kid who don't understand. That is also destroying "boom bap"....

what I mean by this is.. now all I associate this type of hip hop with is white kids (im not a racist... im just lettin you know) and astroglogical rymes that don't make sense and are mad corny, with an audience who can't even get down. It's not like the Pete Rock, OC, Jeru, Big L, Tribe, Nine, Mobb, Lord Finnese, etc etc etc from back in the day.

Something Like That wrote:Son, what the hell are you talking about?

By the way, Aesop Rock is pretty dope in my opinion. Dude came from "the underground" along with a slew of the 1st Def Jux cats...

Cannon,He Ain't Cut from the Same cloth as Cormega or Black Moon or
Ghost or Tragedy,That all I'm saying.

Philly Stress wrote:

Something Like That wrote:Son, what the hell are you talking about?

By the way, Aesop Rock is pretty dope in my opinion. Dude came from "the underground" along with a slew of the 1st Def Jux cats...

Cannon,He Ain't Cut from the Same cloth as Cormega or Black Moon or
Ghost or Tragedy,That all I'm saying.

truth right here^^^

I just called Philly out, in no uncertain terms, on the battle tip.

Ball is in his court.

Some may say beat battles are stupid/insignificant, but there is no hip hop without battling.

Let's see what happens.

Tic Toc...I'm down with you on this. Throw me in the mix and I'll post up when Philly decides to show and prove.

Doc Martin and some other kats may think that beat battles are irrelevant but gettin props and holding down your rep as a form or honor is golden by me.

I'm just saying it NEVER proves anything... Everybody who likes a certain person is always going to be down for their people!! I know I would... But if you'll have nothing better to do, sh!t BATTLE!!!!

maybe if youre a chump you back your man, but in every battle Ive ever seen, the guy who lost knows he lost, and acknowledges it.

Honestly, I hope he smokes me, and if he does Ill be the first to admit it, and give him some respect. Because, in my eyes, he will have earned it.

Thats where me and my camp come in. My vision is to spark (or ressurect depending how you look at it), a new golden era.

LT- I feel what your saying, thiers a genius to every era. Some era's like the 60's, was tight the entire decade, others (70's, 80's, 90's) was sporadic. Most of the "golden material" coming out the early portion of those years.

I'm content saying 88-96 was the best years of Hip-Hop.. but that doesn't mean after those years, I wasn't checking for shit. Thiers priceless gems past 96, all the way to the present. Thing is, the gems keep getting more and more scarce! Even worst, I remember a time when almost any tape of the shelf was worthy of my 14.99. Nowadays, I'm on a try before you buy basis. I do a whole lota' trying, and RARELY ever buyin.

Sress- I can respect what your saying, heres my take. Thier was a time when boom bap drums were all their was. I'm from the South West of the US. Born and raised there. If it was soley based on regionism, I should basically enjoy only West coast sh*t and down South sh*t. But even in the height of the early 90's sound and gangsterism in the West, I was rocking Wu, Mobb, Blackmoon, OGC, etc. At the same time I was listening to early 8 Ball & MJG, and at the same time showing love to Mac 10, Jayo Felony, MC Eight, C-BO. With that said, all thier LP's were full of boom-bap shit. Didn't matter what coast. That 1/32t hi-hat sh*t wasn't popping in my hood at any point in time in the 90's. That was like some 1998-1999 sh*t (intro of the Jiggy era). The "down South" and "West coast Gangster" sound was hard ass kicks and SP-1200 claps pitched down with a gang of Mini-Moog and Arp synth layers. Bottomline, boom-bap is in everyones heart. That shit goes deeper then Hip-Hop. Thats like some African drum sh*t. That beat in your soul. That conga pattern. The first thing a mother fu*ker will do when he gets his first drum machine is go, "Boom, Bap, Boom, Boom, Bap". What changed was during the Jiggy era (and currently), Hip-Hop stoped catering to males, and switched up to the Soundscan analysis that females are the prime consumers. No one wants head nodders and reflective real life material that represents oppression, depression, and poorism anymore. They want dance tracks, some 115 BPM sh*t, cause thats what motivates females to purchase albums. It's the investors that are to blame because Hip-Hop is only that to them, just an investment. The Artist also catch blame too, but they catch blame for being shameful and not doing whats right, where as the Investors are just plain selling out a culture as product. Dre is one of the few producers who gets away with the boom-bap sound. He layers alota synth so to keep current, but the heart of the music is a skeleton boom bap pattern. (on a side note, I noticed the trend in music production as of late is to underproduce music. Jams today are less dense then they use to be..

As for Bruce Banner, he jacked some of my mans beats and blew up off that demo. You draw your own conclusions. And while i'm at it, all those cats that are likely to say, "holler at me when you sell a beat for 20G's" etc. I got a few partners who get paid like that, and they make the whackest sh*t ever. Many of them rock real hip-hop sh*t on the side, but don't release it because they're in the "business" and have a reputation to maintain.. They know the sh*t they sell is some garbage, but they share that, "I'm just trying to get paid. Holler at me about props and respect over a limo ride and some shrimp".

As far as why Aesop is appealing and sh*t over Cormega sales wise.. Thats because Def Jux has proper promotion. Cormega ain't doing to bad for himself, but he's one man and doesn't have a camp supporting him in the same way Def Jux does for they're top Artist. Also, Cormega is fighting for the same crowd I am. The street intellect heads who enjoy thought provoking lyrics and raw beats. Head nod shit, not danceable. Aesop, love'em or leave'em, and heads like him will make a gang more sales because they're catering to a new audience. Cormega can't exploit the "White college kid" market like an Aesop can. And lets face it, sterotypically speaking, the "White college kid" has more bread then a street cat. So why his sales are signifigantly larger is no mystery. Again though, Cormega isn't hurting. He's pushing some pretty serious units from my understanding. He got the right mentality too, and I got nothing but mad RESPECT for him for that.

NEVER admit DEFEAT!!!! You can respect your opponent but NEVER ADMIT being beaten!!! That's a Hiphop RULE!!! hahaha

Rocksteady Crew admitted when AirForce beat them in a battle.

Casual admitted when Saafir beat him in a battle.

What are you talking about?