Cormega - Boom Bap article got me thinkin'.

Lo Pass Filter wrote:A prime example is your "white forefathers" comment regarding the Industry and investors. You do know that the largest Hip-Hop labels in the business are run by African-American men right? Their was no one pulling Russel Simmons strings, or Puff Daddy. They paid they're investors back early on.. Place blame where blame is due.

No!! Russell NEVER owned the distribution of DEF JAM. See if you knew how the industry worked you would know the REAL money is in distribution, anyone can start a label BUT getting it distrubuted by a MAJOR is damn near impossible. Bad Boy same thing. Those cats have NEVER been a independent company seperate from the BIG three (Universal, Virgin and Warner Bros.) Get it RIGHT!!!! Point ONE on why you need to study MORE!!!!

Lo Pass Filter wrote:What oppresses the "black" man today is Jealousy and Envy. All those years of not having, and now having an oppurtunity to get the lions share like the next man, has corrupted the social fiber in the African-American community. I use to see it every day. Your broke, the next man got a GS with 20"s, so you get envious and go pop one in his dome and take his. It's a vicious cycle.

Any person that thinks they can sum up another cultures problems is the most ignorant person on earth!!! I have NEVER said sh!t about other cultures struggle, because it's not mine... and I can't relate!!! Take some advice leave this subject alone. Seems like your trying to get people to blame the Puffy's and 50 cents of the world like their the reason for Black peoples demise... Point TWO: Shut Up about sh!t you can NEVER relate to. And I don't care if you've been poor or not. Being poor and (asian, spainish, african, native) is NOT the same as been (italian, jewish, russian, english, dutch).

Lo Pass Filter wrote:What damages "white people" is most of them are cultureless. They don't know they're roots. You got Italian and Irish cats catching heat for the oppression of African-Americans, and they're people didn't have sh*t to do with any of that period of America. Both sides are highly uneducated majority wise.

Because in America, Italians, Irish everything except Jews (and alot of them can pass for european white) were in groups like the KKK and still are... Point Three: Do More research on histroy and don't just believe one or two books either. Get a full scope of it!!!

Lo Pass Filter wrote:Btw. Tupac and Biggie are still considered the greatest by the masses. If they were alive today, Eminem would be 3rd place.

No!!! I said "in the game." Pac N Big have passed on! I'm talking NOW!!! So that would make Em #1, right now!!!

Boy you cats are CORNY!!!!! What are you'll a tag-team???

doc, now you talkin about hh being destroyed? I thought you were in the "it's changed, get over it" camp?

focus here, eminem hasnt been considered the best since 50 came out, cuz like cormega said, it isn't about what you're sayin, it's about how smoothly we can ignore what you're saying

All this racist white boy this, white boy that stuff is so old, it is usually by cats that are less talented then them white boys who want to get the same advantage white people got from racism, but just in hip hop. Can't blame you for tryin, but the cats that are more talented than the white boys are on the grind trying to prove it, or making avenues to expose it, not trying to get some black exclusivity clause so they can get their asses on even though they aren't as good. Pick your crowd, pick your medium, and get to it, if you keep competing trying to suck the white guys at the head of the major's dicks then black music will continue decending into this borderline minstral show and anyone who plays along makes it easy for anyone with questionable skills to step up, white or black.

If you want to make money, get a job at the mint, make music that's good and do what you can off it, everybody want to be on some bling shyt, feelin they deserve it as much as 50 or jay Z (which the best thing that ever happened to him was pac and big' murder). I thought businesses use to be to make products? Good Products make good money, but now it;s about how cheap you can make it and how much you can get away with to make the most money. Which means quality goes down the tubes. THat's why nothing new even touches the quality of the machines of the past. I'm talking 50's and 60's, drum machines were already in an era of minimiing costs, but mics from the 50 and 60? they got funding like nasa to make the best shyt possible.

LoPass is right about envy, I don;t think you need to get someone shot for it to be hazardous. If you are jealous of someone, that jealousy contaminates you and brings you into a little hell and destroys you from the inside, you become rotten, bitter, and waste your energy for nothing.

its all over the forums here, people just wanting to tear others down for what they use or whatever, tryng to make everyone think they are right.

Yeah, pete keep up with technology to make his production easier, and where did it get him? his name got tarnished and now he's trying to build it back up because cats are so wack now a days cuz all the corporate funding keeps them afloat instead of skills. Hell at least Eminem battled cats, Jay Z aint gonna battle, it's a 'bad career move' **** rap primadonnas.

this thread is all bad, but ima have to stay on the side of my people with the darker complexion... better than saying black/brown people infront of the white kids.

what about the half white half brown kids?

nothin wrong with that, im mixed myself. not white though

I'm also half. So I guess I'm only 50% offended

Elm, why are you trying to hold the back of these dudes??? (drumat!c/Lo Filter) I didn't bring up Hiphop being destroyed, your boy Drumat!c brought it up and I responded:

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I agree with TicToc - what the fuk does race have to do with hiphop? Everybody acknowledges black music in America and hiphop as a huge part of Black American culture. You got white motherfukkerz playing soccer (futbol) dominating that **** and you got black motherfukkerz playing golf dominating that **** .....hmmmm a british sport ehhhh. You gotta be highly ignorant and unintelligent to be pullin' race cards on this ****......hiphop is about more than money.....it's a shame the same culture that started it will continually contribute to its demise.
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Also Eminem is considered the "Best" MC in the game!! WORD?? Why is that?? Could it be he IS tight (I think so) but he also looks like a part of America that can relate to someone (finally) that looks like them. And Black people doesn't destroy Hiphop, your old white fathers that own the record companies is the ones destroying it!!! Money, fame, being popular has always been apart of hiphop, learn the WHOLE history, not just "the golden years"...
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elmacaco wrote:focus here, eminem hasnt been considered the best since 50 came out, cuz like cormega said, it isn't about what you're sayin, it's about how smoothly we can ignore what you're saying .

Eminem still owns 50 Cent, doesn't he??? Who sells more records???

From Billboard Charts:
Eminem "The Eminem Show" - 10 Million Units Sold (to date)
Eminem "Encore" - 5 Million Units Sold (to date)

50 Cent "Get Rich or Die..." - 5 Million Units Sold (to Date)
50 Cent "The Massacre" - 4 Million Units Sold (to date)

I think Em is still number 1 around the world, 10 Mil for the Eminem Show???

elmacaco wrote:Yeah, pete keep up with technology to make his production easier, and where did it get him? his name got tarnished and now he's trying to build it back up because cats are so wack now a days cuz all the corporate funding keeps them afloat instead of skills. Hell at least Eminem battled cats, Jay Z aint gonna battle, it's a 'bad career move' **** rap primadonnas.

All I know is Pete will Rock any of these cornballs that are dissin him, period!!! If you aren't better then someone. Shut up and keep it moving!

docmartin120 wrote:Elm, why are you trying to hold the back of these dudes??? (drumat!c/Lo Filter) I didn't bring up Hiphop being destroyed, your boy Drumat!c brought it up and I responded:

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Originally posted by drumat!c:
I agree with TicToc - what the fuk does race have to do with hiphop? Everybody acknowledges black music in America and hiphop as a huge part of Black American culture. You got white motherfukkerz playing soccer (futbol) dominating that **** and you got black motherfukkerz playing golf dominating that **** .....hmmmm a british sport ehhhh. You gotta be highly ignorant and unintelligent to be pullin' race cards on this ****......hiphop is about more than money.....it's a shame the same culture that started it will continually contribute to its demise.
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Also Eminem is considered the "Best" MC in the game!! WORD?? Why is that?? Could it be he IS tight (I think so) but he also looks like a part of America that can relate to someone (finally) that looks like them. And Black people doesn't destroy Hiphop, your old white fathers that own the record companies is the ones destroying it!!! Money, fame, being popular has always been apart of hiphop, learn the WHOLE history, not just "the golden years"...
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elmacaco wrote:focus here, eminem hasnt been considered the best since 50 came out, cuz like cormega said, it isn't about what you're sayin, it's about how smoothly we can ignore what you're saying .

Eminem still owns 50 Cent, doesn't he??? Who sells more records???

From Billboard Charts:
Eminem "The Eminem Show" - 10 Million Units Sold (to date)
Eminem "Encore" - 5 Million Units Sold (to date)

50 Cent "Get Rich or Die..." - 5 Million Units Sold (to Date)
50 Cent "The Massacre" - 4 Million Units Sold (to date)

I think Em is still number 1 around the world, 10 Mil for the Eminem Show???

elmacaco wrote:Yeah, pete keep up with technology to make his production easier, and where did it get him? his name got tarnished and now he's trying to build it back up because cats are so wack now a days cuz all the corporate funding keeps them afloat instead of skills. Hell at least Eminem battled cats, Jay Z aint gonna battle, it's a 'bad career move' **** rap primadonnas.

All I know is Pete will Rock any of these cornballs that are dissin him, period!!! If you aren't better then someone. Shut up and keep it moving!

more units sold does not equal ""Best" MC in the game!! WORD", never has, never will... anyone that knows hiphop knows that much...

Doc-

Your the fool homie. Get your math right. I own a label first of all. So before you go dissing, act like you know. Secondly, being that I am a CEO, and knowing the industry very well, I can tell you that ain't no fu*king distributor controlling my label. I choose where I want my records to be at. National, International, Big music chains or little chains. Warner and Virgin ain't pulling they strings. It's all a collabrative effort. And Puff etc. is playing the game right along with them by targeting audiences and cultural fads and exploiting them for profit. Prime example of why I know they ain't pull strings is because I have several friends that Distribute through Capitol, Columbia etc. They have no say in they're product. The only thing the distro cats care about is if your money is right. What actually goes on the record and what gets promoted and pushed is on the Label and they're promotion people.

As for the summing up a races problems. I call it how I see it, and I feel what I feel. You might think it's wreckless to simplify an entire groups problems into one sentence, but I got views, just like you got yours. I said what I said from personal experince, not a book. As for the comparitves between "colored" oppression and "white" oppression, your right and wrong at the same time. Your right, I'll never know the "black mans" stress, just you'll never know the "white mans" stress. Every races faces strife. I'm Italian and Czech. What do you know about my cousin back in czech having his house hit by a tank shell!? Or 300 kids getting murdered in a bomb blast while they at school by rebels? What do you know about my Grand Father keeping my lineage alive by hiding in the hills of the vineyards back in Naples to avoid the Nazis capturing my Grandmother and her Sisters.. Mose likely to rape and pillage? Everybody is gettin sweated somewhere at some point. If your going to speak on racism, speak globally, not just nationally. I love when I meet these pro black cats who are all about uplifitng they're people, but don't think twice about they're motherland, Africa. Look at Sedan, Nigera, and Ethopia. Even funnier is I got several homies straight from Ethopia/Niger, and they don't relate with the African community here in the US at all. Go figure.

Whatever with that KKK sh*t. Unless you live in the corner of some po'dunk country town your never gonna get exposed to that retarted sh*t. Plus, it goes both ways. They'res racist organizations in every ethnic group!

As for the tag-team comment, i'm just speaking my peace. I started this thread, so I'ma contribute to it. If my mans backs me, thats him. I don't care one way or other.

Fam, thats why I don't fu@k wit cats like YOU!!! You a bytch!!! MF half of my family lives in Africa!! Fighting AIDS dumbass!!! As a matter of fact I'ma keep this sh!t cool because you an ignorant MF!!!

And fu@k your little independent label bytch!!!

docmartin120 wrote:Fam, thats why I don't fu@k wit cats like YOU!!! You a bytch!!! MF half of my family lives in Africa!! Fighting AIDS dumbass!!! As a matter of fact I'ma keep this sh!t cool because you an ignorant MF!!!

And fu@k your little independent label bytch!!!

now theres handling it like a man...

Doc-

You got caught out there like a faggit in gym class homeboy. Word up Fobe', since when does record sales make you the best MC or producer? Just means you got an insane promotional team behind you and lots of money and support.

Ain't no one ever said they were better then Pete. And even if someone did, it's a speculative argument that has no ending.

Whatever Doc. I'm gonna live this alone. You got your opinions, I got mine. It was nice politicing with you. God bless you and yours. I think thats fantastic your family is actually from Africa and that they are supporting the motherland. Thats some real sh*t. I have no way of knowing that you or your family gets down like that, just like you got no idea about my background till I clued you in on a small peice of it.

Racism didn't start with a color G. Seperation of race started in Babylon.. when man decided they were gods and wanted supreme knowledge through math and astrology. God punished us for that arrogance and the complications that came of it were racism among other things. And racism is really derived from tribal wars and region.. We've just watered it down to some shit now that makes no fu*king sense.

[quote]Racism didn't start with a color G. Seperation of race started in Babylon.. when man decided they were gods and wants supreme knowledge through math and astrology. God punished us for that arrogance and the complications that came of it were racism among other things. And racism is really derived from tribal wars and region.. We've just watered it down to some **** now that makes no fu*king sense.[quote]



well said.

Yeah those are those boots that skin heads wear to look like nazis and shit. I bet this dude is some little skinhead white dude with knee high lace up red doc martins and a swastika tattoo