Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.

By orjanbs Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:14 am
But why are people actually doing this? What is it good for?
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By Krux Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:29 am
You're saying this on purpose to be funny(/annoying), right ? ???

By orjanbs Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:13 pm
No. I have read how you do it, but not what it actualle does to the songs!

By peezie Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:31 pm
Read it again or try searching...

By orjanbs Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:39 pm
Yes but what is it good for, having the kick sometimes off-beat?
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By cluster Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:01 pm
It just makes it easier to actually, to fine tune certain aspects of a track...

orjanbs,

my only tip is to play around with it, until you actually see... Yeah you can mess around and make your kicks off beat, or lazy, or whatever... It just lets you have more access to every note really.. Thus allowing
more tweaking, more changups, more whatever...

In my opinion, having done this in is the past and present, I find it does make a song sound tighter, usually the hats are just blazing... It just
gives it a certain feel, can't really explain it... Along with hats, other percussion can get some life using this method, bongos, congos, shakers, whatever, I think the hightlight of this method comes during the sequay between a verse and chorus, or verse and verse, verse and bridge, when you want to build up the drums.. Of course you can do this via the normal
bpm, it just seems to add some spark the other way, esp with slower tracks, because it breaks it up and adds a sense of speed (with the double bpm and resolution)... Maybe its just presonal preference...

I've messed around and had beats up to 370 bpms(on reason) before that sounded like normal slow beats, its also adds to the experimentation, esp when you like to have crazy buildups...

My only concern is, when hardware has a limited note capacity, thus
when you double, you reduce by half... speaking about the fantomx here, never ran into it, but it might be a problem...
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By bboutit Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:20 am
M.ic P.ro C.rusher wrote:Instead of doubling the bar amounts, you can also just change your TSIG setting to 8/4, instead of 4/4. That way you just have your bars twice as long, but playing twice as fast (double tempo) instead of making 2 bars (on the MPC) sound like just one.

In case that was confusing, heres a diagram:

4/4 example (2 bars):
1___2___3___4___

K_______S_______
K_______S_______


8/4 example (1 bar):
1___2___ 3___4___5___6___7___8___

K_______S_______K_______S_______


So basically, the longer bars makes a more natural feel. One bar will still equal one bar, with 4 beats per bar because they technically play twice as fast. You'll hear 8 ticks per bar, but each pair of ticks now corresponds to one beat (top and bottom).

To sum up what I'm saying is that if you double the tempo AND double the TSIG, then you get double resolution without changing the number of bars you have (so when comparing beats you don't need to do math with the bar quantities) or altering how you would normally play, except the increased metronome rates. There used to be a tutorial about this, but the Tutor has smartened up and ain't giving the sh!t away for free no more :shock: , so I suggest to everyone to drop the $40 and get the ebook, 'cause this cat's got KNOWLEDGE!!!


Thanks FAM and Aries, good lookin out!! I feel like a brand new producer with this technique, So Much More Breathing Room and ideas. It will be a loooong night tonight, F.uck the BET Awards they show sh!t like a million times anyway. I wouldn't be surprised it they show it right after it ends LOL Good lookin out FAM. 1
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By bboutit Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:26 am
To all the XL users not getting this:

Hit USER

Set (SEQ) BPM to 168 (*84) or * (BPM (you usually use) *2 (double))

Tsig: 8/4

Bars: 1

Timing: 1/8 or whatever you usually start with for Kicks etc....

1(bar)X2Tsig = 2Bars

2(bar)X2Tsig = 4Bars

Tsig (equals)---> 8/4 = 2Tsig X BAR = Total Bars

Hit MAIN SCREEN, now go back and READ the entire thread, then try. :-) LOL
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By Remedial Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:04 pm
At no point do you slow the beat down again to hear a difference?

Or do you just keep it at that sped up tempo?

I ask, because, I'm trying it right now and it's making my samples sound fast as hell.

Peace.

By Avastyle Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:41 pm
You can compare this with the resolution of a digital image...
If the resolution is low the image is less detailed, but if the resolution is high it's more detailed... Am I making sense....? :? :lol: :roll:

PEACE!

By peezie Sat Jul 02, 2005 7:56 pm
The notes have to fall into certain slots, (96 per quarter notes), so you are doubling the resolution and the amount of spaces where you can fill in with notes. By making the time sig 8/4, you keep the same bar lengths, 8 quarter notes per bar instead of 4 quarter notes. Playing real time to doubled bpm would make things harder not easier! If you still dont understand it, dont strain youself. Just double the bpm you are used to and play away as you normally would. Trying things out always helps understand better. If you dont notice any difference, I suppose you dont need to waste your time or energy with this technique.
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By Prah_860_ Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:45 pm
EXPERIMENT & PRACTICE:

most of the tips posted anywhere...are discovered by these two tips. If you live by these two words you will be posting your own tips soon enough. :-)

P.S. I am not being an @$$hole..so don't take it in that manner.
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By TicToc Sat Jul 02, 2005 8:46 pm
wow, there are some real stupid cats on this forum. How can some of you not get it after its been explained like 14 times?

By earwolf Sun Jul 03, 2005 4:33 pm
HI I AM NEW TO THE FORUM AND ALSO QUITE RETARDED I DO NOT HAVE THE PATIENCE TO READ ANY OF THE OTHER INFO POSTED ANYWHERE ELSE INSTEAD I PREFER TO BARGE IN HERE SHOUTING BECAUSE I'M SURE PEOPLE WILL LIKE ME MORE THAT WAY

OK SO THIS TIP DO I NEED AN MPC TO USE IT AND WHAT DOES IT DO ENABLE ME TO MAKE GERMAN TECHNO LIKE ROGER LINN? ALSO HOW DO I DO IT - BY JAMMING MY FINGERS IN THE MAINS OUTLET??? REPLY IMMEDIATELY OR I WILL CRY

By Aster Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:07 am
You win! Employee of the month! ^^^