Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By Philly Stress Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:16 am
I'm thinking about getting 16 or 24 track mixer with 4 bus other than a Mackie.There's Shop Here in Philly That Carries These Euro Board liked Midas, but I don't enough to just go and buy one of those boards. Can any gimme any suggestions (Esp, my Euro people).

Philly,
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By tdot Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:31 am
allen & heath, soundcraft

By lo-fi Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:32 am
First decide how many channels you need. 24? 16? And decide how much you want to spend.

I'm about to upgrade from a Mackie SR24-4VLZ PRO to a Midas Venice 240. The Venice is one of the nicest small boards you can buy this side of the 'silly money' consoles. Some even prefer it over boards costing 10x the price. It goes for about $4k over here, I don't know how much it is at your end. There is also the Venice 160 with 8 mono and 4 mono/stereo channels.

For less money, if you want to buy new, you can get an A&H GL2200 or the newer GL2400. If 16 tracks is all you need, look at the A&G MixWizard series.

If you want to buy second hand, the SoundCraft Ghost and Soundtracs Topaz Project 8 spring to mind, or many desks by A&H, especially the GS3 (or GS3000 if you can afford it). And Tascam desks are known to have a very good sound, and very good EQ: M2600mkII, M3500, M3700... Great if you have the space for them, which I don't.

By Kaymir Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:44 pm
MIDAS is very nice..but more devoted to live sound. but midas is a reall goo brand. the venice series is nice.

I like soundcraft..british eq baby haha! but i really really really like is TLAUDIO. all there boards got valves..! look at tlaudio.co.uk
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By Science Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:53 pm
i personally would not buy a used mixer, beringer has some nice mixer for cheap, but i guess they have some noise problems, i have one and the main mix out right channle shorted out on me :cry:
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By keio Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:30 pm
buying a used mixer on ebay sounds like a lottery round, if there isnt a way to check it before buying, consider buying a new one.
Personally i like soundcraft for their eq.

By renegadebliss Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:19 pm
keio wrote:buying a used mixer on ebay sounds like a lottery round, if there isnt a way to check it before buying, consider buying a new one.
Personally i like soundcraft for their eq.


Yea, but I would buy a used Soundcraft or Allen and Heath before buying a new Behringer any day...

By Aster Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:18 pm
I know he said no Mackie, but has anyone used the Onyx series? Not to highjack...

By lo-fi Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:22 am
Kaymir wrote:MIDAS is very nice..but more devoted to live sound. but midas is a reall good brand. the venice series is nice.


Yeah, they're marketed as live consoles. But the sound is awesome, and especially the EQ is in a different league from the Mackie, VERY sweet. Plus construction standards are top-grade (ALPS faders and nutted ALPS pots throughout...) The features/routing suit my way of working perfectly. So the desk being billed as a 'live' desk doesn't bother me at all - it's still one of the best desks in it's price range.... I picked mine up today.

That Allen&Heath on eBay: yeah, that was one of my reccomendations as well. Very well built and A&H always has really good EQ. No subgroups though, but they also make a 10 mono 4 stereo, 4 group version I believe. Check www.allen-heath.com .

The older mackies are very decent mixers, if a little 'plain'. Used all over the world, they're affordable, and they have OK (not great) built quality. I didn't like the EQ much though; I even preffered the EQ of small older Spirit (folio series) mixers.

I haven't heard the Mackie Onyx series myself, but the EQ on it is supposed to be a big improvement on the previous series, and it has 2 sweepable mids and a HW bypass button now. Should be pretty decent, but listen for yourself. There is also an 8-buss Onyx series just released, looking really good. Check the Mackie site.

By the way, my first mixer was a Spirit Folio Notepad, then I got a Spirit Folio SX, then a Mackie SR24-4, then a Mackie SR24-4vlzPRO, and now the Midas Venice 240. I've used Behringer and D&R (good, older Dutch mixers) in friends's studio's, among others.
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By jaem Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:41 pm
beware of onyx.........

they brag of british EQ by a guy named cal perkins

do a google search you'll find he is located in the US and has been designing Mackie circutry for years.....


Its called marketing and mackie's marketing dept. is quite successful


btw, co-sign on the Midas.
the original midas boards attempted to copy the EQ of a Neve, the current Midas boards are a solid state attemt at replicating the old ones.

Neve>Old midas>new midas (way way) > most other mixers in the same price category