Different Tracks, Different BPM's?

I asked this question one other time but never got an answer, so maybe somebody could enlighten me on this subject...but you'll probably just get pissed and say you already posted this.

So here’s my question: If I create a slow sequence, we'll say 75 BPM, but I want a fast hi hat on the sequence, we'll say 95 BPM; how would I do this? Basically can you have different tracks set to different BPM's? And if you can, how:?:

If you can tell me, you're an MPC God.

You can't no.

Just hit the pads faster?

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Anyway on the xl you can play 1 sequence and simultaneously play another, dunno if that's available on the 1k though.

There is no way! THIS SUCKS!
Let me make my question even more clear.

When I tap the pad very fast, the MPC aligns what I played to the BPM the sequence is set to. I also use that one button, called like the "Tap Tempo" button (I can't remember cause I'm at work) and play my hi hat, my Hi Hat hits right on the BPM the sequence is set to this way also. If I change my timing correction, it changes the tempo of my hi hat, but it also changes the rest of the sequence timing.
Now you're probably more confused.

true wrote:Just hit the pads faster?

seems to me the only solution (with TC off). but not so sure how it will sound though.

btw, did you experiment with triplets ? maybe thats what you are trying to achieve.

true wrote:Anyway on the xl you can play 1 sequence and simultaneously play another, dunno if that's available on the 1k though.

it is not on the 1K. anyway, i guess on the 2000XL the 2 sequences would play at the same tempo. oherwise it would sound like a mess and there would be a blank at the end of the faster one. but i am just guessing

it seems to me that you are misunderstanding BPM and Time Correct (quantize).

truvc wrote:it seems to me that you are misunderstanding BPM and Time Correct (quantize).

Actually, if you do both the right way, you get the same results.

if i'm understanding you correctly, you want the effect of something like timbo does with that sped up hats?

if so, to get this you have to do the reverse of what you said earlier.... you have to speed up the bpm to say like 120 and play across 8 bars as if you are playing 4 bars. you would have to program the kick and snare to play slow and "f" with the hats and note repeat button to get that sped up hat going.

you can also get the same effect if your bpm is lets say 95bpm and you have your T.C. (quantize) set at 1/32 and play across 4 bars. then follow what i said above.

If I set my sequence faster, to the speed I want my hi hat, then play the rest of the beat slower it might work...But then I would need to increase the amount of beats inside each bar. I don't think you can do that. Although I could add a bar. But I don't think this is going to work. I swear I did it before, when I was a newb, but I don't remember how I did it.

Thanks Sparq, you must be the MPC God.

"If I change my timing correction, it changes the tempo of my hi hat, but it also changes the rest of the sequence timing."


remember you can have different pads set at different t.c., program at the t.c. you want, then when you want to do the sped up high hats go to t.c. screen set it to what you want, but don't hit the Do It key, just hit the Close key, and when you play the hi hat it will play with that t.c. without affecting the t.c. of the rest of the sequence.

Try redrding at bpm 150, timing at 1/8 when recording the beat.
Timing at 1/16 when recording hihats. Just the same process what sparq was saying.

Double Tempo - And like you said tewamor there has recently been a BIG thread on this technique.

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=31537&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=double+tempo&start=0

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=31124&highlight=double+tempo

tewamor wrote:...But then I would need to increase the amount of beats inside each bar. I don't think you can do that.

That's why you would change your T.C. to 1/32. it will give you more beats inside each bar.

and oh yeah, what lamp was talking about. do a search on here for 'double Tempo"

tewamor wrote::shock: There is no way! THIS SUCKS!
Let me make my question even more clear.

When I tap the pad very fast, the MPC aligns what I played to the BPM the sequence is set to. I also use that one button, called like the "Tap Tempo" button (I can't remember cause I'm at work) and play my hi hat, my Hi Hat hits right on the BPM the sequence is set to this way also. If I change my timing correction, it changes the tempo of my hi hat, but it also changes the rest of the sequence timing.
Now you're probably more confused.

turn TC on 1/32, hold down tap tempo

i think everyone else has already given the right answer, but i wanted to add my own summary of the issue and see what you think:

just because the cymbals are faster then say the kick, doesn't mean they have a different BPM.

the BPM is like the master conductor for the song, that keeps everything locked in the groove. The BPM is what you would measure from a repititive quarter-note thumb, like a simple techno kick drum: (thump thump thump thump).

Faster sounds can lay in on top, they just have different note values, like 16th or 32nd notes, so there's more of em per bar. But they still line up to the master tempo. If you actually measured the bpm of just cymbals, you would get some multiple of the kick drum: so you might have 75bpm compared to 150, which is double. (or even triple, thats triplets, roughly speaking.) but you don't need to put it at 150, you just stick to 75bpm and use a different note value / different TC value. Like Capshun and others said.

very few songs ever use trax at different bpm, except maybe some really weird 'IDM' stuff like autechre or something. not hiphop, anyway. it would sound all drifting/ not in synch and people would be confused.

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of course if you knew all that and yer trying to do some freaky avant garde timing thing, pls ignore the above

Thanks everyone, and sorry to re-post. You have enlightened my miniscule and simple brain.