Anyone here use MPC 3000/60 for sample free MIDI PROD??

What I'm Basically asking is does anyone in this forum use the MPC 3000/60 what is was built for? Are there any Non sampling producers who still prefer to sequence specificly in the MPC 3k/60 over the Newer models?? I know the MPC 3000/60 are a little more swallow, but the newer MPCs have way more features and and Tighter resolution, so that's why I still ask.

I made a couple beats where I sampled the drums into the 60 then used my keyboards sounds to make the rest of the beat. I was real happy with the outcomes of both beats. I love the seq on the 60, it's how I work. Even if I did nothing but keyboard beats I would still use the 60. I'm sure theres very little shit popping up in anybodys head midiwise that couldn't be seq'd with a 60/3k.

Philly Stress wrote:What I'm Basically asking is does anyone in this forum use the MPC 3000/60 what is was built for? Are there any Non sampling producers who still prefer to sequence specificly in the MPC 3k/60 over the Newer models?? I know the MPC 3000/60 are a little more swallow, but the newer MPCs have way more features and and Tighter resolution, so that's why I still ask.

Take care with your comment about the "tighter resolution" with regard of new MPC machines.

Only one of the new MPC machines has a finer sequencer PPQ resolution.

SEQUENCER NOTE RESOLUTION:

ASQ10/MPC60/MPC3000/MPC2000/MPC2000XL/MPC1000 = 96 PPQ.
MPC4000 = 960 PPQ

INTERNAL CLOCK SPEED OF CPU That is a different story ...

As for using the MPC3000 in capacity as a sequencer and/or sampling drum computer ... That I do. That I do indeed.

Hey Philly, on a different note ... did you manage to get hooked up with a 3.16 BOOT DISK for your 3K ?

Cool,

Rohan.

Philly Stress wrote:What I'm Basically asking is does anyone in this forum use the MPC 3000/60 what is was built for? Are there any Non sampling producers who still prefer to sequence specificly in the MPC 3k/60 over the Newer models?? I know the MPC 3000/60 are a little more swallow, but the newer MPCs have way more features and and Tighter resolution, so that's why I still ask.

why do you own an mpc3000le if you dont know what its built for?

Absolutely. They were built for midi and samples though. It's Roger's idea that created the MPC as something more than a Drum Machine or sampler. it's an MPC

Expanding on Elmac's comment, everybody thinks of sampling as taking breaks, music, drums from already existing recordings. From what I can gather the concept of sampling was also created to assist in simplifying the recording process by sampling drums, percussion, or whatever in the studio and either lock-syncing it to your 2-inch tape via SMPTE, or playing live on the pads. The realities of mic'ing live instruments or percussion can really cost you a lot of time in the studio...setup, placement, adjustment, getting a good take...sh*t even sound quality can suffer sometimes. Like a shaker, if the parts were simple enough you might have been better sampling a clean couple of hits and then playing it back from a sampler. I read an interview on one of Sade's main engineers. He was saying they were using primitive digital recording/sampling type technology on even the older albums and using it to trigger parts they had played live. So, contrary to what most might think even Sade's earlier albums weren't totally live or had parts that were tracked digitally and triggered.

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To answer the question: Yes I have used my 3000 to do an all 'no sample' beat. But I mainly use it for strictly the drum programs. I've got a decent audio chain so going direct from a synth module to my DAW software is sonically a better solution for me than having all my sounds dithered down to 44.1K, 16-bit and then turned back into analog again. Especially for sounds like bells, sweeps, hi-frequency synth sh*t. I'd simply lose something vital if I put it in the 3000 first.

"why do you own an mpc3000le if you dont know what its built for?"

He is using it for what it is primarily built for: sequencing. The primary power of the MPC series always has been sequencing, IMHO. Part my reason lies in the history of Akai Pro and current costs in related hardware and is too long and drawn out for this thread.

Rohan might be able to confirm that most of the MPC3000's operating system is for the sequencing engine. I would estimate that well over 80% of the code is sequencer ops.

Also, playback engines (samplers) are just really so darn cheap. You can go out an buy a used S2000/3000 for about $100 and get a sampler that is 20 times more powerful than the one in the MPC. The net effect is that most of the money you put into buying an MPC is for the sequencer.

mpc3000 wrote:"why do you own an mpc3000le if you dont know what its built for?"

He is using it for what it is primarily built for: sequencing. The primary power of the MPC series always has been sequencing, IMHO. Part my reason lies in the history of Akai Pro and current costs in related hardware and is too long and drawn out for this thread.

Rohan might be able to confirm that most of the MPC3000's operating system is for the sequencing engine. I would estimate that well over 80% of the code is sequencer ops.

Also, playback engines (samplers) are just really so darn cheap. You can go out an buy a used S2000/3000 for about $100 and get a sampler that is 20 times more powerful than the one in the MPC. The net effect is that most of the money you put into buying an MPC is for the sequencer.

oh yea, its def. a sequencer. as a stand alone sampler it lacks...thats why the 60 is great....its exclusively a drum sampler/sequencer.....

"oh yea, its def. a sequencer. as a stand alone sampler it lacks...thats why the 60 is great....its exclusively a drum sampler/sequencer....."

I don't get it, I understand the statement, but what does the 3000 lack in terms of sampling capability? It has SPDIF in, true real time stereo sampling, 16-bit, 44.1k resolution. Other than NOT having 40K 12-bit, what does the 3000 lack as a sampler??? I'd accept this statement on an ASR-10, 16+, etc. or even a 2000 or XL but 3000?? Please clarify.

L. Tombstone wrote:"oh yea, its def. a sequencer. as a stand alone sampler it lacks...thats why the 60 is great....its exclusively a drum sampler/sequencer....."

I don't get it, I understand the statement, but what does the 3000 lack in terms of sampling capability? It has SPDIF in, true real time stereo sampling, 16-bit, 44.1k resolution. Other than NOT having 40K 12-bit, what does the 3000 lack as a sampler??? I'd accept this statement on an ASR-10, 16+, etc. or even a 2000 or XL but 3000?? Please clarify.

no keymapping, without the sequencer, its basically just a phrase sampler, like a sp202...with less options of cource...while the akai S series is an instrument....try to use an mpc3000 without the sequencer...it wouldnt be anything great.

I see what your're gettin at, thanks for the info. But honestly it would depend on you setup IMO. For example using a 3000 just to tailor drum hits and flying them into a DAW is better than with an ASR-10 or 16+ or sum'n. I guess it depends on how much functionality you require out of one machine stand-alone.

L. Tombstone wrote:I see what your're gettin at, thanks for the info. But honestly it would depend on you setup IMO. For example using a 3000 just to tailor drum hits and flying them into a DAW is better than with an ASR-10 or 16+ or sum'n. I guess it depends on how much functionality you require out of one machine stand-alone.

but you might as well just get an s20 for doin that...seems like a waste of $1300 to me

mpc3000 wrote:Rohan might be able to confirm that most of the MPC3000's operating system is for the sequencing engine. I would estimate that well over 80% of the code is sequencer ops.

Without telling too much

Given that 80% of the machine is a sequencer ...

Perhaps.

Rohan.

PS: 80%+%20 = 100% ... where is PACMAN going to go ?

the 3k wasnt meant to be used as a standalone sampler. that makes that argument weak. you cant discredit the sampler.

mpc3000le wrote:

Philly Stress wrote:What I'm Basically asking is does anyone in this forum use the MPC 3000/60 what is was built for? Are there any Non sampling producers who still prefer to sequence specificly in the MPC 3k/60 over the Newer models?? I know the MPC 3000/60 are a little more swallow, but the newer MPCs have way more features and and Tighter resolution, so that's why I still ask.

Take care with your comment about the "tighter resolution" with regard of new MPC machines.

Only one of the new MPC machines has a finer sequencer PPQ resolution.

SEQUENCER NOTE RESOLUTION:

ASQ10/MPC60/MPC3000/MPC2000/MPC2000XL/MPC1000 = 96 PPQ.
MPC4000 = 960 PPQ

INTERNAL CLOCK SPEED OF CPU That is a different story ...

As for using the MPC3000 in capacity as a sequencer and/or sampling drum computer ... That I do. That I do indeed.

Hey Philly, on a different note ... did you manage to get hooked up with a 3.16 BOOT DISK for your 3K ?

Cool,

Rohan.

Naw, Man I still ain't get those upgrades OS's yet. Homeshines is suppose to hook me up though.