Desctructive Quantize ?!

I was minutes away from buying a new mpc 1k today when i realized that the quantize was destructive -ie: you can't adjust the quantize or remove it later on you can only undo right away. The machine in the store was running an old os from 2004 (1.05) so i don't know whether this has been addressed in a later system update.

Is Quantize still destructive on the 1k?
Is quantize destructive on the other mpc's as well?

if this is still an issue it's a really lame limitation on a piece of gear in 2005.

/s1

yes it is still the same.

is it just a 1k limitation or across the whole MPC line up?

Its fine, just don't mess up your timing and you won't even need quantize.

systemone wrote:is it just a 1k limitation or across the whole MPC line up?

Unfortunately, the whole MPC line up has this limitation, just consider what cdubchi said.

It's not a limitation, you can turn it off if you don't want it. Or you can only quantise certain pads, it's really quite flexible and good.

morgan wrote:It's not a limitation, you can turn it off if you don't want it. Or you can only quantise certain pads, it's really quite flexible and good.

this is what i was thinking

systemone wrote:...-ie: you can't adjust the quantize or remove it later on you can only undo right away...

Actually you can adjust the swing and quantising after you've recorded a part, it re-quantises everything. But you've got yo keep in mind if you play a 16th part and then quantise it to 8ths you can't go back. So don't do it if you don't mean it.

i find it really strange that you can't keep adjusting the swing as you go along. what do you do if 3 tracks later you realize that you wanted a little less shuffle now that you hear all the parts together? start over? that's poor design. compare that to an mv8000 where you can adjust the quantize at any point - even while the pattern is playing. the mpc lineup needs a serious overhaul to bring it up to to 2005.

that said ... i really like the attitude here that says f*** it, there are no limitations. take the tool that you've got and make music with it.

and the fact is that with the all of the mv's extra features and the much better interface design, i keep coming back to the 1k at half the price because the beats i make on it just feel better. i can get inside the mpc and make better music and in the end that's all that matters.

/s1

if you are that pressed about the quantize screwing up your track, just make a copy of your drum track and quantize that instead.

if it sounds dumb you will always still have the original to go back to you.

systemone wrote:i find it really strange that you can't keep adjusting the swing as you go along. what do you do if 3 tracks later you realize that you wanted a little less shuffle now that you hear all the parts together? start over? that's poor design. compare that to an mv8000 where you can adjust the quantize at any point - even while the pattern is playing. the mpc lineup needs a serious overhaul to bring it up to to 2005.

that said ... i really like the attitude here that says f*** it, there are no limitations. take the tool that you've got and make music with it.

and the fact is that with the all of the mv's extra features and the much better interface design, i keep coming back to the 1k at half the price because the beats i make on it just feel better. i can get inside the mpc and make better music and in the end that's all that matters.

/s1

Actually you can start over. You have to requantize the track to 50% swing first then to whatever swing amount you want it. In my opinion, the MV-8000 is crap, I'd go for a 4000.

what do you do if 3 tracks later you realize that you wanted a little less shuffle now that you hear all the parts together? start over? that's poor design.

Jus do the sh!t over. unless your doing some real complicated drums, or whatnot. Or do what the others mentioned=copy the drum in case you don't like your new one, or only quantize certain pads like Morgan mentioned. Me personally don't find it that big of a limitation. Sh1t I didn't even think of it until you mentioned it. And how are you going to compare the 1k to the mv they're 2 totally different machines. jus get what you want. If you think the 1k will hold you back I say go for the mv8000.

if what you mean is, your kicks are quantized at 75 swing, and hten later you want to lower it??? if so you can, i do it all the time