Using drum breaks

I've been using one hit drum sounds for a while, but lately i've been finding a lot of dope breaks, and I want to start using the breaks as they are. However, I'm having difficulty matching the tempos of the sample i'm using to the tempo of the break. I'm using an Asr-10, and I would like to figure out how to do this without using a computer program. I know it's possible cause I've heard Kanye use that same damn drum loop on just about everything he produces, and Dre has used a lot of breaks on his stuff.

So far, I've tried chopping the sample and the break into equal l beat sections and re-assembling them with the sequencer, but this hasn't been too successful. Is this possible without using timestretch? Any suggestions?

There exists a PC-Programm who is the perfect solution for your problem, but I don't remember the name...however I think Ableton LIVE could also solute your problem.....

peace

I'd rather not use a computer b/c my soundcard blows...It's got to be possible on the ASR, cause dudes were doin it back in the early 90's without computers. I just need to find a method that works.

Wfuphan wrote:I've been using one hit drum sounds for a while, but lately i've been finding a lot of dope breaks, and I want to start using the breaks as they are. However, I'm having difficulty matching the tempos of the sample i'm using to the tempo of the break. I'm using an Asr-10, and I would like to figure out how to do this without using a computer program. I know it's possible cause I've heard Kanye use that same damn drum loop on just about everything he produces, and Dre has used a lot of breaks on his stuff.

So far, I've tried chopping the sample and the break into equal l beat sections and re-assembling them with the sequencer, but this hasn't been too successful. Is this possible without using timestretch? Any suggestions?

yeah kanye did it, but you best beleive he used a PC some where in the chopping or just looped the break how it was and tempoed it up. There are several methods to go about this. 1st get a version of recycle 2.0. This will let you send a recyled file into your ASR through midi.version 2.1 and up can't. You can chop you have been doing, but do a seacrh on ghost notes. plenty of ways

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yeah kanye did it, but you best beleive he used a PC some where in the chopping or just looped the break how it was and tempoed it up. /quote]

why cause you cant get good timing w/out a computer???

kanye has been known to be using a computer for some time. It is possible, but I feel a Comp has been used in recent songs

...Uh...did you try to adjust the pitch up or down?? You might just be able to sync up a drum loop with a sample loop if you try using the fine pitch adjust on the ASR. Just a thought really I'm not sure how the pros do it .....Or just chop the drums into as many pieces as there are notes in the drum loop that way tempo/pitch issues won't matter. I was syncing all sorts of loops over ten years ago on a 16+ with no kind of computer to assist. You gotta freak it like a DJ matches tempos in a tight blend.

Just my 2 cents, but seriously this is primitave stuff man, you should study your machine a little more IMO. Also, no computer or software is necessary to sync loops at all whatsoever!!! Using Ableton Live or any of these comical loop oriented programs is toy.

L. Tombstone wrote:...Uh...did you try to adjust the pitch up or down?? You might just be able to sync up a drum loop with a sample loop if you try using the fine pitch adjust on the ASR. Just a thought really I'm not sure how the pros do it .....Or just chop the drums into as many pieces as there are notes in the drum loop that way tempo/pitch issues won't matter. I was syncing all sorts of loops over ten years ago on a 16+ with no kind of computer to assist. You gotta freak it like a DJ matches tempos in a tight blend.

Just my 2 cents, but seriously this is primitave stuff man, you should study your machine a little more IMO. Also, no computer or software is necessary to sync loops at all whatsoever!!! Using Ableton Live or any of these comical loop oriented programs is toy.

He`s got a point if the ASR has a graphic editor or not I don`t know you first have to figure the groove of the break 1/8, 1/16 or whatever and chop by that setting. If you have a 2 bar break with 1/16 notes that is 32 slices that you will chop per note. When it is laid out on the keys in order. You can a play the original loop and play the slices over it or you can step edit each hit by the ticks of 1/16 resolution. It has been posted before on MPC resolution values of 96 ppqs I don`t know what the resolution of an ASR is but you can do it. This is the traditional method but if you have Recycle for drums loop it is a real time saver or Live for groove loops.

However the traditional way may be time consuming you get faster with practice you can learn about how to program great rhtyhms and understand note placement over time from breaking down loops so it iis a great training too.

Correction if you have a one bar loop with 1/8 notes you need only 8 slices. Sure go with the number of notes.

Sorry.

yeah, i've been chopping everything down into 1/4 note hits, but I guess I need to make them smaller.

Thanks...

Wfuphan wrote:yeah, i've been chopping everything down into 1/4 note hits, but I guess I need to make them smaller.

Thanks...

That`s the way break it down usually for drums 1/16 to 1/32 note setting is good to start with depending on how many notes the cat was playing. When you are playing to a tempo you want to count out 1, 2, 3, 4 in quarter notes and play all the notes in between that count. It`s like skipping rope you count down and jump in and keep jumping to the rhythm as fast or slow as you want. Rhythm and timing months a later you will know it just like that.

Damn, ya'll are overanalyzing this sh*t!! Its pretty simple, just pitch down or up. You're gonna have to do some tweaking cause you gotta make everything fit, but if you just wanna use a loop, pitch it down or up.

You right about pitching to the tempo which was already mentioned but going further like a dj the rhthyms got to fit. If you got a 2 loops that are too busy you are gonna train wreck your mix. Chopping out the parts you need can sit the loops together tight. Plus if you want to make polyrhythms you can cut stuff all of different loops and play all together as one. Plus he can learn to make his own midi groove template by keeping the rhythm from a breakbeat and changing the sounds with his own kit. Chopping is gonna help the dude out.

YEAH RECYCLE IS GOOD FOR THIS or LIVE or ACID XPRESS VERSION...............


http://download.acidplanet.com/acidxpress.exe


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