Anyone Got Timing Tips For The 1K??

Also, even the really dope beats I heard other dudes make on the 1k...if they were one shots...the drums sounded stiff even if the overall track was really dope. They would have sounded even BETTER had they had a more loose time. So I'm not just basing this on my own material.

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that's interesting....

I'd love to see someone do a really tight head-to-head test of midi recording and measure all this, but it'd probably be too much trouble. For instance, you could play an external midi keyb thru a splitter into both mpc's at once, or something.

...i wonder if the problem is really the timing/clock per se or more like something to do with the recording phase. Like maybe when it records midi it is 'rounding' to less than 96 ppq?? The only problem with all this is that its kind of speculation and hard to prove. Like maybe the pads just feel different and make you play a bit off.

But if it's the sequencer itself, why doesn't someone do the following::: render the same SEQ file to audio on both the MPC2k and 1k. We could measure the timing in an audio editor. Then we'd really know if one of them is tighter, or looser, or what.

cheers

sleepersriddle wrote:that's interesting....

I'd love to see someone do a really tight head-to-head test of midi recording and measure all this, but it'd probably be too much trouble. For instance, you could play an external midi keyb thru a splitter into both mpc's at once, or something.

...i wonder if the problem is really the timing/clock per se or more like something to do with the recording phase. Like maybe when it records midi it is 'rounding' to less than 96 ppq?? The only problem with all this is that its kind of speculation and hard to prove. Like maybe the pads just feel different and make you play a bit off.

But if it's the sequencer itself, why doesn't someone do the following::: render the same SEQ file to audio on both the MPC2k and 1k. We could measure the timing in an audio editor. Then we'd really know if one of them is tighter, or looser, or what.

cheers

i second that

That sounds like a good idea. The easiest way to see the timing would be to put up a high hat sample that both a 1k user and a 2000 (xl) and maybe even a 4k user, or whatever MPC user, can load into their machines as is.

We should have it set up like an experiement where each user has to record maybe 10-30 seconds of the high hat with note repeat on at a specific BPM and specific TC and swing settings. Like do one at 1/16 at 50% then 60% then 70% or something of that nature. Have everyone load them up and post up mp3's of the results. I've already compared 4k and 1k timing so I know what's up with that, but I'm curious how the 1k compares to the 2xl.

i think i kinda have a feel for the complaints now.

i was dealing with "stiff" drums before i either a, took off time correct completely, or b, went back and started nudging everything off its technically "on time" tick by a couple of marks.

this loosened things up considerably.

Are you not satisfied with the way that you play the notes in on the pads (with tc off)? It sounds as if you need to get to know the step edit mode and experiment.

Peace

i was more along the lines of complaining about how i will rec stuff in that sounds right as i am playing it, but when i listen back to the seq sometimes it will be very/completely off.

timing correct is off, but still sometimes what i am PLAYING is different compared to what is RECORDED. i thought i was imagining stuff until a friend who also has a 1000 said the same exact thing after he started doing beats on another friend's 2kxl....

...and yes i use step edit to compensate for it, but its annoying when i notice it happening.

just wondering, do you guys find that the problem happens when you've already got a bunch of sounds playing? Cause I wouldn't be surprised if the 1k's cpu is "skipping" a bit under load.

Have you tried setting your different drums parts (hat, kick, snare) to different swing? This seems to loosen things up quite abit in my experience.

First when I read this whole thread I wanted to be defensive, and say my 1K is the greatest thing on Earth...I mean I saved a long time to buy the thing, and I was hoping to be perfectly happy with it. But I have the same timing problem. Just like you described it. So what I have done, is work on my rhythm. The better I have got at listening to the metronome, the more I like how me ish has turned out.
One thing to remember...Hip-Hop was started with two turntables and a mic, in the burned out Bronx. My point is....use what you got, and make it hot!

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I feel you 100%. Not necessarily about switching to 2k, but about the timing. I know it's a heated topic so I won't get into it, I'm just seconding what you said about it. Sumthin aint right...

I been having the same problem, I sold my ailing mpc2000 a few months back. I have a 1000 model for a month now and my beats have taken a step back as well as the me double triggering all over again. I upgraded the os to 1.7 and it removed the clicks in my samples but the machine just feels a hair different. but overall it like this machine better. I do miss my bigger worn out pads though.

im changin from 1k to 2kxl in a couple of days, not for any particular reason other then the superficial reasons, i like the bigger pads and the knobs and wheel looks a bit better, its also bigger and more sturdy....... uvawise i know that essentialy uva then sampling cabapabilites they are the same, but i will let you guys know this weekend if i notice a difference in timing.

Everyone just seems to be guessing about this. what needs to be done is to create the identical pattern, with the identical samples, on both machines, record it into any sequencer capable of a sample-accurate display (ProTools, Nuendo, etc) and compare.

According to Roger Linn, the MPC is really just one big software program running on a dedicated computer with a rock-solid clock. So if there IS a difference, it would be good to know what Akai changed - was it the software? Some component?

AFAIK, the main difference between the 60/3000 and the 2000XL is that the former have individual DACs on each output while the 2000 (and I imagine, the 1000) have a DAC for the stereo outs and a multiplexing one for the individuals. But I believe it is the same converter (not sure about the 4000 and 1000).

ONE wrote:I've already compared 4k and 1k timing so I know what's up with that.

Well....

Tell us please.